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Post by sako on Sept 21, 2014 17:53:38 GMT -5
Hey guys. I have a RemPac .45, 26" barrel and I have only shot saboted bullets from it for the last couple of years. I am getting tired of blowing the occasional sabot and want to try the sabotless game. I plan to try bore riders first and I got a .459 push through die that sizes the bullet just under bore diameter and I can easily knurl the bullets to get a snug fit. So here are my questions: 1) I have some 250gr TEZs that I want to try. In looking at the board and it looks like solid coppers don't do very well as bore riders without a duplex load and a fast booster such as red dot. Can anyone suggest a load that is known to be good with this bullet? Can I boost with 4759 or is that too slow? 2) I was thinking to also try some XTPs. Is the .452, 240gr XTP mag a good bullet to use? It seems like more folks are using the 250gr more often, but I was hoping to use the mag version for hunting.
Thanks much.
Jim
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Post by jims on Sept 21, 2014 19:08:10 GMT -5
Some anneal the bullets that soften them enough to be used as land riders.
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Post by Richard on Sept 21, 2014 20:05:49 GMT -5
Did you read this thread of mine? Look at the 290 TEZ load..........No sizing necessart and will shoot MOA? You might try going back a lot of pages and look for my name and you will see a lot of information on sabot less. If in doubt, send me a PM and I will give you my phone number. Richard dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/15852/single-powder-040-bushing |
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Post by ratsnakeboogy on Sept 22, 2014 9:18:26 GMT -5
I know 45omega has shot some impressive groups at 100 and 200 yards with the Barnes 250 TEZ ahead of 10/50 SR4749/IMR4198. His was with a McGowan though.
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Sept 22, 2014 11:13:46 GMT -5
I know 45omega has shot some impressive groups at 100 and 200 yards with the Barnes 250 TEZ ahead of 10/50 SR4749/IMR4198. His was with a McGowan though. That is my go to load and bullet in my McGowens. One requires no knurling and the other does not. It does good to 300 yards. |
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Post by sako on Sept 22, 2014 13:56:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the suggestions. I have SR4759 and H4198 so I think that I will try the 10/50 combo first. I will also try to get some faster booster powder per some of Richard's loads. I am going to stick with the 250TEZ for now because I have some and it seems that I can get a good fit with the sizing die that I have. With knurling, how tight of a fit are folks trying to get? As tight as possible I assume? Also, what other ~250gr bullets are worth trying sabotless? Was looking at the bonded shockwave today - anybody having luck with them?
-Jim
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 15:20:49 GMT -5
I've had good results with the 250 TEZ's and 250 SST (FTX) sabotless in my Pac-Nors. Both 10/58,4759/H4198 and 11/59, N110/H322 have been accurate and deadly on deer.These are going around 2700-2725fps. I like to size them at .449 smooth die and then slightly knurl them to a snug fit.Both have been very effective out to 300+ yards..... Good luck
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Post by ratsnakeboogy on Sept 22, 2014 16:16:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the suggestions. I have SR4759 and H4198 so I think that I will try the 10/50 combo first. I will also try to get some faster booster powder per some of Richard's loads. I am going to stick with the 250TEZ for now because I have some and it seems that I can get a good fit with the sizing die that I have. With knurling, how tight of a fit are folks trying to get? As tight as possible I assume? Also, what other ~250gr bullets are worth trying sabotless? Was looking at the bonded shockwave today - anybody having luck with them? -Jim Just to make sure you are aware, some of those faster boosters will eat a ventliner in short order. I don't know if your shooting the super-plug, but if you're planning on shooting the vent eaters you may want to check into it. |
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Post by sako on Sept 22, 2014 21:24:43 GMT -5
My plug is a vent liner plug so thanks for the warning. I am going to start with the 4759 and see what happens. I have a .459 die from Doughty Enterprises and knurled up, the 250 TEZs are a snug fit in my barrel. Have some .060 veggie wads to use also.
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Sept 23, 2014 3:27:34 GMT -5
I use the Dry Wool Wad with the Barnes 250 gr TEZ. I would shoot a Duplex.
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Post by rob67 on Sept 23, 2014 19:00:51 GMT -5
Hey guys. I have a RemPac .45, 26" barrel and I have only shot saboted bullets from it for the last couple of years. I am getting tired of blowing the occasional sabot and want to try the sabotless game. I plan to try bore riders first and I got a .459 push through die that sizes the bullet just under bore diameter and I can easily knurl the bullets to get a snug fit. So here are my questions: 1) I have some 250gr TEZs that I want to try. In looking at the board and it looks like solid coppers don't do very well as bore riders without a duplex load and a fast booster such as red dot. Can anyone suggest a load that is known to be good with this bullet? Can I boost with 4759 or is that too slow? 2) I was thinking to also try some XTPs. Is the .452, 240gr XTP mag a good bullet to use? It seems like more folks are using the 250gr more often, but I was hoping to use the mag version for hunting. Thanks much. Jim You can use 4759 with the 250 tez. I shot this group last Friday at 100 yrds using a fed 209, a .060 veggie wad and a loose 2 finger loading pressure. I have never shot a group this good and probably never will again. I had been shooting a duplex of 10/ 48 to 50 of 4759/ H4198 with good results. The 12/48 4759/H4198 seems to shine. After making a scope adjustment to get vertical and 2 inches high shot 2 in the same hole and out of powder so no pic on that.  |
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