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Post by rambler on Sept 3, 2014 13:55:00 GMT -5
Sorry edge, don't know what got into me
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Post by bluedog on Sept 4, 2014 8:10:14 GMT -5
Is the die compatible with the Forster co-ax press..
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Post by rangeball on Sept 4, 2014 8:54:24 GMT -5
Luke, you mention using the cheaper hornady 300 .458 to get your initial die setting. How close is this setting to what you end up with on the 310 APB? Assuming they don't match up exactly do you find the 310s need to be sized down more than the hornady's?
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Post by jsthntn247 on Sept 5, 2014 8:00:03 GMT -5
Why use a 458 Hornady bullet to practice and get your die set right? Arn't the match hunters 451 or 452 diameter? Wouldn't you want to use a bullet of the same diameter?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 8:02:34 GMT -5
Why use a 458 Hornady bullet to practice and get your die set right? Arn't the match hunters 451 or 452 diameter? Wouldn't you want to use a bullet of the same diameter? Luke's ap bullet is .458 and is a full form bullet just like the match hunter for those who like full form. Trying to size the ap bullet first and messing up on that bullet verses a xtp .458 is a $2 mistake verses a .50ยข mistake.
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Post by jsthntn247 on Sept 5, 2014 10:01:14 GMT -5
Yea, I'm new at this as you can tell. Could someone post a pic of a smoot form vs full formed bullet?
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Post by rangeball on Sept 5, 2014 10:56:37 GMT -5
FF on left, un-sized on right, which while not technically smooth formed it would look identical as it leaves a smooth bearing surface, just squeezed down a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 16:58:11 GMT -5
things to remember
all is not lost if you size a bullet too small, knurl it and run it through again at a larger setting
when you are full forming bullets and you are starting the bullet through on the second pass if it stops (misaligned)stop and take your starter and bump it back through, the bullet should go through really easy the second pass so it should also find its groove relatively easy. many think full forming is difficult because of aligning the groove for a second or third pass, the trick is to make good thin well defined lines. also it helps if the mark is in the center of a groove, if it hits on a land it will smear your index mark and make it difficult to see.
smooth forming is very quick, once the bullets are lubed I can do a box in about 2 minutes without hurry. Full form takes longer mainly because of scribing the lines and lining them up each time. it takes about 5 minutes to do a box once they are ready, it takes longer to clean them then to size them.
for what its worth; I remove my plug after shooting the gun if the size is correct, I then push EVERY bullet down the bore. Why? so you have no cuss fits when you are in the field. nothing worse than a too large or too small bullet when you load it in the field, it takes some time but I have sized hundreds of bullets and there are some that just don't size the same for whatever reason. its much easier to find them at home where you can correct the problem.
also keep in mind when pushing smooth formed bullets down the bore that they will very very lightly engrave or(scratch) which in turn makes them go down the second time with slightly more resistance so when trying to find the perfect size and running the same bullet through over and over remember that when you find the right resistance with that bullet the next bullet will likely have less resistance at the same setting due to no scratches. size accordingly... have fun!
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Post by dannoboone on Sept 5, 2014 18:00:51 GMT -5
for what its worth; I remove my plug after shooting the gun if the size is correct, I then push EVERY bullet down the bore. Why? so you have no cuss fits when you are in the field. nothing worse than a too large or too small bullet when you load it in the field, it takes some time but I have sized hundreds of bullets and there are some that just don't size the same for whatever reason. its much easier to find them at home where you can correct the problem. First time I read about Bill doing this (in another thread), it seemed he was being just a little anal about sizing FF. Never had much problem myself..... until getting a couple boxes of factory second 275gr MH's for a new .451 barrel. Too loose, too tight, same setting...no two are sizing identically. Had I not decided to spot check by pushing a few down the barrel, the "cuss fit" would have come in to play in the field! Moral of story. Listen to Bill. He knows what he's talking about.
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Post by rangeball on Sept 8, 2014 22:38:36 GMT -5
Luke, when working your way down to get the right fit, are you running the bullet through the die three times at each setting or only when you find the right setting?
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