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Post by ET on Aug 29, 2014 7:04:01 GMT -5
Moderators I want to thank you for the job you have done so far and to the members who have kept if friendly and beneficial to all. My personal belief is that this board is now loosing the quality it has had and enjoyed for a long time. It appears snide comments are appearing more often where sides are being chosen that could rip this board apart destroying the quality it is supposed to possess. IMO if something isn’t done soon we will experience another TB & RW lockdown incident with another mess to cleanup.
This board has been beneficial to all and promoted harmony but now it appears sides are forming threatening that harmony.
This board has been lenient and now is being taken advantage of that leniency IMO.
Instead of lines being drawn between members lines for behavior of members need to be re-established for continued harmony.
Personally I hope something will be done soon to avoid another possible calamity and return the full status that this board once held instead of just trying to hang onto what’s left of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 7:41:05 GMT -5
I have to agree with you ET.
I tore into sml for no reason yesterday. (Sorry sml)
The attitude/vibe on the this board is turning sour. Mine included.
The longer the moderators tolerate it, the worse it will get.
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Post by southarkrob on Aug 29, 2014 7:55:14 GMT -5
Guys.. I am a traveling salesman that spends 3 weeks or more in hotel rooms at nite..(Don't drink or go to bars) and a gun fanatic. I am on a lot of boards and this one is pretty easy going. I have asked some pretty dumb questions and have received a lot of help on here. I have seen some pretty ahole behavior on other boards. I do notice that there are two factions here... target shooters with high dollar custom rifles and hunters (like me) that shoot what they convert. I respect and understand both and appreciate all the work that both groups have done to pave the way for all of us.
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Post by sw on Aug 29, 2014 7:59:16 GMT -5
This board has set the standard by which all boards should be measured. The kindness, gentleness, sophistication, etc all have never ceased to impress me. Let's not loose this!!!!
ET, the response already indicates others feel the same. Sometimes family members need called to task.
In Proverbs 6:16-19, Solomon states the 7 things God hates. Since this is Eastern writing, the apparent "oversight " of the 7th is actually the thing God hates most.
Proverbs 6:19b " and a person who spreads discord among family members". Let's not sew any discord. :-)
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Post by Dave W on Aug 29, 2014 8:25:49 GMT -5
When people are passionate about something they do it is easy to get your feathers ruffled, make no mistake about it, I am passionate about SMLing as are many here. IMO I will say I don't think the responsibility lies at the feet of the mods, it is our responsibility to be better behaved and respectful, self included. Lets keep the government out of this.  |
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Post by sw on Aug 29, 2014 8:28:30 GMT -5
. I do notice that there are two factions here... target shooters with high dollar custom rifles and hunters (like me) that shoot what they convert. I respect and understand both and appreciate all the work that both groups have done to pave the way for all of us. I agree. Racing did a lot for automobile advancement as do the long range target shooters. Everything I do is aimed at hunting. Both groups help me. I'm thankful for both. |
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Post by rambler on Aug 29, 2014 8:29:16 GMT -5
When people are passionate about something they do it is easy to get your feathers ruffled, make no mistake about it, I am passionate about SMLing as are many here. IMO I will say I don't think the responsibility lies at the feet of the mods, it is our responsibility to be better behaved and respectful, self included. Lets keep the government out of this. +1 |
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Post by edge on Aug 29, 2014 8:35:04 GMT -5
Mine is bigger than yours!
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Post by Dave W on Aug 29, 2014 8:42:22 GMT -5
Mine is bigger than yours! Yeah that sums it up pretty well. Classic!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 8:43:15 GMT -5
Awesome! Mongo like candy!
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Post by 03mossy on Aug 29, 2014 9:48:45 GMT -5
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Post by edge on Aug 29, 2014 9:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by ET on Aug 29, 2014 9:59:35 GMT -5
DW
DW I am not in disagreement with what you are saying and in a perfect world or membership here this would not be happening. We all have momentarily crossed the line but in most cases it is settled by the individuals involved. I don’t have a problem with this but when others side in then it is now a division occurring.
I agree it should be our responsibility but you will only get that from caring and cooperative members. How do you deal with others that don’t feel this way?
This is also not intended for shifting any responsibility to the Mods but they do have an influential authority that may need to be employed if this trend continues. Basically that would be like parental guidance or discipline if necessary when unacceptable behavior is appearing in a family.
Earnhardt
We all have different personalities and sometimes strong unwarranted responses that just burst out. When the realization of it being out of line sets in and apologize for it I don’t have a problem with it either.
SW
When I first came to the board we were all welcomed and treated like family helping one another out overcoming problems and reaching goals. A good portion of that still remains and some of it is being replaced by pioneering achievements which is to be expected.
The conflict currently rising is proclaiming who has done the best or the most instead of just seeing each one separately for what it has achieved and not doing a cross comparison. There is a wealth of knowledge being compiled and hope it doesn’t get convoluted with bickering or judgmentally snide comments. The later also creates an unfriendly or even hostile environment that is definitely uninviting to many.
You can bet I’ll be watching this closely as I hope the Mods will also as I feel we are experiencing troubled waters ahead if this trend continues.
Ed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 9:59:34 GMT -5
Edge wins! Favorite movie by far....
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Post by rossman40 on Aug 29, 2014 10:01:58 GMT -5
I was once asked what was the toughest thing in my leadership position in the Army, I told them it was having to deal with 34 individual personalities. What we are dealing with here is more like a clash of personalities. It is easier to deal with in person or face-to-face where the person's expressions, tone and even body language comes into play. When your limited to just the written word it gets complicated and often misunderstood. Now the two main members in question can be a bit "brash", that's just their personalities.
Remember what Ozark said at the end of his time with us, "treat each other with respect and tolerance, no matter what the topic". That is pretty much the basic rule around here. Now some of you guys are going to have to start cowboying up and hold/resist typing remarks that egg-on or escalate the bad vibes. The management around here has been tolerant, usually you guys police yourselves and hash out your differences. I don't expect to ever see us all holding hands around the campfire and singing kumbaya, but if it crosses the line to disrespect then we will step in.
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Post by rambler on Aug 29, 2014 10:07:09 GMT -5
I was once asked what was the toughest thing in my leadership position in the Army, I told them it was having to deal with 34 individual personalities. What we are dealing with here is more like a clash of personalities. It is easier to deal with in person or face-to-face where the person's expressions, tone and even body language comes into play. When your limited to just the written word it gets complicated and often misunderstood. Now the two main members in question can be a bit "brash", that's just their personalities. Remember what Ozark said at the end of his time with us, "treat each other with respect and tolerance, no matter what the topic". That is pretty much the basic rule around here. Now some of you guys are going to have to start cowboying up and hold/resist typing remarks that egg-on or escalate the bad vibes. The management around here has been tolerant, usually you guys police yourselves and hash out your differences. I don't expect to ever see us all holding hands around the campfire and singing kumbaya, but if it crosses the line to disrespect then we will step in. What, no kumbaya??
I guess that leaves having s'mores out of the equation 
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 10:07:52 GMT -5
"EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY!" Got to love it!
You guys are cracking me up! Lol
This sight has been great for me, now there has been times I didn't feel welcome but I've made several good friends. One I've become very good friends with and a great hunting partner, which I seriously prayed for. It's hard to find someone that hunts the way you do and believes in the same things you do.
There might be people on here that rub us the wrong way but it's part of life and we need to deal with it like adults. I'm not saying that there are people on here who are not acting like adults but what I'm saying is we need to remind ourselves sometimes that we are adults and should be an example to our children.
"Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get, so enjoy every minute of it." I know that was cheesy but I couldn't resist.
You guys are a great bunch of people and I hope to meet everyone of you some day!
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Post by fishhawk on Aug 29, 2014 10:43:58 GMT -5
I missed most of the squabbles, I was back at camp getting a $hi# load of dimes.
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Post by rangeball on Aug 29, 2014 10:56:09 GMT -5
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Post by Alabama on Aug 29, 2014 11:59:39 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much squabbling. I believe its the rapid evolution of the SML. In the 9 months since I've been a member, the SML has evolved so much to where mine may be getting obsolete. Kind of like computers, need a new one every year to keep up with the new technology. We have several researchers here who contribute lots of time on their new hypothesis by testing and re-testing. The SML is no longer simple. Different primer's, different bushing's, different powders, etc., etc. As long as people are coming up with new ideas there is always going to be some disagreement in the new developments. Usually when the new ideas stop, the product dies out.
We all will agree that we will disagree? Just in a civil manner.
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Post by Alabama on Aug 29, 2014 11:59:58 GMT -5
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 29, 2014 12:24:07 GMT -5
I was once asked what was the toughest thing in my leadership position in the Army, I told them it was having to deal with 34 individual personalities. What we are dealing with here is more like a clash of personalities. It is easier to deal with in person or face-to-face where the person's expressions, tone and even body language comes into play. When your limited to just the written word it gets complicated and often misunderstood. Now the two main members in question can be a bit "brash", that's just their personalities...I don't expect to ever see us all holding hands around the campfire and singing kumbaya, but if it crosses the line to disrespect then we will step in. I agree it is mostly personality but you can't just say, "this is my personality so deal with it". That is a blanket excuse to act as one pleases and pretend they are never at fault. The Army is full of strong personalities but acting however you please is not tolerated; I don't know what you did in the Army but that is a universal truth. It is not like the Army at all where there are rules, regulations, and UCMJ to legitimize your authority and quell issues. You can have the strongest personality in the world and still behave properly, all the while gain accolades, and garner respect. When one person says you have an issue take it with a grain of salt. When a few say you have an issue you ought to take a pause, stop talking, and reflect on why that perception exists and how you might be able to improve. If you don't, and choose to blame others for a common belief, that is when your personality is out of control and needs moderation enforced by an appropriate agent. |
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Post by rangeball on Aug 29, 2014 12:32:11 GMT -5
I was once asked what was the toughest thing in my leadership position in the Army, I told them it was having to deal with 34 individual personalities. What we are dealing with here is more like a clash of personalities. It is easier to deal with in person or face-to-face where the person's expressions, tone and even body language comes into play. When your limited to just the written word it gets complicated and often misunderstood. Now the two main members in question can be a bit "brash", that's just their personalities...I don't expect to ever see us all holding hands around the campfire and singing kumbaya, but if it crosses the line to disrespect then we will step in. I agree it is mostly personality but you can't just say, "this is my personality so deal with it". That is a blanket excuse to act as one pleases and pretend they are never at fault. The Army is full of strong personalities but acting however you please is not tolerated; I don't know what you did in the Army but that is a universal truth. It is not like the Army at all where there are rules, regulations, and UCMJ to legitimize your authority and quell issues. You can have the strongest personality in the world and still behave properly, all the while gain accolades, and garner respect. When one person says you have an issue take it with a grain of salt. When a few say you have an issue you ought to take a pause, stop talking, and reflect on why that perception exists and how you might be able to improve. If you don't, and choose to blame others for a common belief, that is when your personality is out of control and needs moderation enforced by an appropriate agent. Could not agree more. Very well said. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:29:27 GMT -5
Thread hijack! Hopefully in a good way. In regards to edge's post. I present my boy  Maximus Decimus Meridius Ok I know I've gotta get a grip |
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 29, 2014 15:37:28 GMT -5
I'll raise you a Captain Jack Sparrow:  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:38:43 GMT -5
Lots of good posts here already, no need in chiming in other than to say thanks to Ed for starting another reality check thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:45:59 GMT -5
Captain jack looks more authentic than Maximus. Looks like a happy little guy.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 29, 2014 16:31:17 GMT -5
It's probably because we were about to do some dog-jitzu.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 16:55:49 GMT -5
I was once asked what was the toughest thing in my leadership position in the Army, I told them it was having to deal with 34 individual personalities. What we are dealing with here is more like a clash of personalities. It is easier to deal with in person or face-to-face where the person's expressions, tone and even body language comes into play. When your limited to just the written word it gets complicated and often misunderstood. Now the two main members in question can be a bit "brash", that's just their personalities...I don't expect to ever see us all holding hands around the campfire and singing kumbaya, but if it crosses the line to disrespect then we will step in. I agree it is mostly personality but you can't just say, "this is my personality so deal with it". That is a blanket excuse to act as one pleases and pretend they are never at fault. The Army is full of strong personalities but acting however you please is not tolerated; I don't know what you did in the Army but that is a universal truth. It is not like the Army at all where there are rules, regulations, and UCMJ to legitimize your authority and quell issues. You can have the strongest personality in the world and still behave properly, all the while gain accolades, and garner respect. When one person says you have an issue take it with a grain of salt. When a few say you have an issue you ought to take a pause, stop talking, and reflect on why that perception exists and how you might be able to improve. If you don't, and choose to blame others for a common belief, that is when your personality is out of control and needs moderation enforced by an appropriate agent. This is one of the better literary reality checks I've read lately. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 17:19:04 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much squabbling. I believe its the rapid evolution of the SML. In the 9 months since I've been a member, the SML has evolved so much to where mine may be getting obsolete. Kind of like computers, need a new one every year to keep up with the new technology. We have several researchers here who contribute lots of time on their new hypothesis by testing and re-testing. The SML is no longer simple. Different primer's, different bushing's, different powders, etc., etc. As long as people are coming up with new ideas there is always going to be some disagreement in the new developments. Usually when the new ideas stop, the product dies out. We all will agree that we will disagree? Just in a civil manner. +100 It's been a whirlwind of improvements/modifications the last three years....When I started to follow Doug's ,the stock savage .50's were mostly discussed and the Dave.D pacnor .45 1:22 prefit for the savage plug with ventliners was just coming out and the 195 barnes and 200sst in a light blue harvester sabot were the deer killers....Only a handful of members were even attemping sabotless Deadeye,Jray,and I think Bloodtrailor.... That was only 3 years ago guys....this boards been running since early 90's ...Now look at where we are and where were going....Its All Good.....
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