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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 28, 2014 12:30:49 GMT -5
Ok,,, I have tested a load and to me it just can't get any better than this... The Good,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It is just one single powder charge............. The Bad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It puts the smack down on anything you shoot with it............and The Beautiful ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It turns out groups like this regulary.. The load is 78 Grains of IMR4198 and LRMP's with the 275 gr. BE's at a muzzle velocityof 3000 FPS. Target above shot at 100 yards. In the blistering heat. Shot from 200 yards. In the blistering heat and no cool down time between shoots. Just load and shoot.. Shot from 100 yards in the fridged cold. I never seen a duplex load of any kind do that.....................LOL....... Jeff.
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Post by wayles on Aug 28, 2014 14:22:12 GMT -5
That's some accurate hardware and some fine trigger pullin! Still shootin sabots in my rempac. Don't want the elder shoulder abuse. wayles
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Post by Dave W on Aug 28, 2014 14:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:28:28 GMT -5
Maybe.....It's the barrels you use, Maybe it's your plug/ignition system, Maybe it's your machining/tooling abilities, Maybe it's the str8 4198/BE combination, or... maybe....Your are a sniper and you're not fessing up... and maybe it's just a combination of all of these things... Any way ya look at it, you and your guns are laying down some awesome groups and have set the bar for everyone who wants to, to chase. Jeff, have you ever tried any of the duplex's such as N110/H322, (or any other duplex) just to compare to see where you're at? For better or worse? It has been proven by members, that at least in the 209 guns with .030 bushings/vents, that the duplex is much more stable and less finicky, in the cold weather. By cold I refer to teens or single digits for extended time periods. This may or may not be the case for your system, just curious. Earnhardt, Greg, Luke and others may have a remedy for this already in the newer plugs and bushings for the 209 folks. IIRC, I believe someone shot a .800's (don't remember exactly what it was) duplex group at 200 yards, with a mcgowen barreled gun, thrown in an off the shelf stock (no bedding) with a stock factory trigger, so I don't believe duplex is too far off the game, when it is in the right hands... Great shooting! and Great group by Richard too that Dave pointed out.
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 28, 2014 15:38:52 GMT -5
666 is the mark of the beast.... I'm glad it measured .669.... Lol..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:44:45 GMT -5
Earnhardt chocked up a .625 and posted it a while ago. At 500 yards......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:46:43 GMT -5
When is the video coming out....? That was fine shooting...I kept asking oneshotike to look through the spotting scope and he kept saying..You don't want to see it,lol....Best I'll ever witness...Till next year.....
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Post by homebrook on Aug 28, 2014 16:04:12 GMT -5
HI WHAT SHOOTING!!! I want some of that 78 gr of IMR4198 sounds like an awful lot of powder . Not having a cono. need to count on my friends here on the board what kind of pressure are we looking at, speed, most of all safety this load really sounds good Ill use it if it is safe . I have an Encore with a 26 in Douglas barrel with a Savage BP using Winchester 209 primers PLEASE ADVISE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH GARY
PS WHAT WAD?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 16:18:56 GMT -5
Gary DO NOT USE THIS LOAD IN AN ENCORE!
Jeffs gun has a much heavier barrel and locking lugs.
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Post by Richard on Aug 28, 2014 16:19:34 GMT -5
Yes Jeff that is good shooting and obviously an accurate rifle. That being said: I would just like to see you shoot some groups with that rifle using a generic bullet like those from Hornady which is what I shot the .244" five shot group with....vs. the 275 Parkers you used. This is not a poke at your accuracy (I am serious here) but will it do it with any of Hornady's FTX's or SST's? Just curious. Again, we have to realize that the Parkers are softer of have a thinner jacket which will seal the bore better than the thicker Hornady's...............and, shoot them with your single powder load sized as loose as you do with the Parkers. I have shot Parkers and know that day in and day out they will shoot better than the Hornady's Richard
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Post by dannoboone on Aug 28, 2014 17:00:28 GMT -5
Moral of story: It is much easier to get 18 witnesses in the blistering heat than it is to get them in the frigid cold.
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Post by rambler on Aug 28, 2014 17:06:36 GMT -5
It's also much easier to kick a field goal with home field advantage
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Post by homebrook on Aug 28, 2014 17:08:43 GMT -5
THANK YOU I wont use this load. My encores barrel mic s out to exactly 1 in bul barrel . I want a fast load, Parker BE fit perfect go in hard and even all the way with .060 vegi wad If you could give me several loads that are around 2800 fps Id be very thankful . Also I want to shoot Hornady 40 cal 200 gr sst with lite blue sabot and 195 Barnes with same sabot at fast speed any and all loads you recommend Id be happy to try GARY
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Post by edge on Aug 28, 2014 17:36:52 GMT -5
I shot a 0.000 group with my Savage ML, sorry no witnesses. Too afraid to take a second shot for fear of screwing up the group edge.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Aug 28, 2014 17:46:04 GMT -5
I shot a .750 with my Capone...5 shots. I wishI would have had the guys at the range sign and date it....but I still have the target.lol..... Drop
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 17:49:23 GMT -5
Here's couple 3 shot 200yd groups with those lowly BC bullets and duplex loads. One with 10/58 4759/H4198 250 FTX and the other with 11/59 N110/H322 250 TEZ.. These were shot with my Mtn. Sav-Pac 24" PacNor barrel @ 8 3/4#... Don't shoot at 100yds anymore..Too boring Zen
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Post by Dave W on Aug 28, 2014 17:58:39 GMT -5
Not a very successful fishing trip. Any of you midwest guys consider 49* frigid?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 18:01:27 GMT -5
Not a very successful fishing trip. Any of you midwest guys consider 49* frigid? Frigid cold for me is -10 with a 30 mile an hour wind. 49* for me is a day at the beach!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:07:56 GMT -5
I guess the other members didn't see where your informative thread of a new conversion was derailed by Rich for some reason....IMO this whole thread is for Richard and deservingly so.....
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 28, 2014 20:17:14 GMT -5
HI WHAT SHOOTING!!! I want some of that 78 gr of IMR4198 sounds like an awful lot of powder . Not having a cono. need to count on my friends here on the board what kind of pressure are we looking at, speed, most of all safety this load really sounds good Ill use it if it is safe . I have an Encore with a 26 in Douglas barrel with a Savage BP using Winchester 209 primers PLEASE ADVISE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH GARY PS WHAT WAD? I would not go over 6o grains in the encore barrels....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:18:39 GMT -5
I'll put my $0.02 in.....
Richard was right, there is a section for builds. He and others don't want to search through our builds to look for what they are interested in.
Jeff was right, no one uses that function that way anymore and Richard could have been a little more ginger.
Just earlier this week they were chatting it up like old friends in other threads. I'm sure they will be fine but we should all reel in the mockery that makes us giggle to ourselves. It's very hard to convey humor through our keyboards.
24 hour ceasefire anyone??
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 28, 2014 20:24:11 GMT -5
Yes Jeff that is good shooting and obviously an accurate rifle. That being said: I would just like to see you shoot some groups with that rifle using a generic bullet like those from Hornady which is what I shot the .244" five shot group with....vs. the 275 Parkers you used. This is not a poke at your accuracy (I am serious here) but will it do it with any of Hornady's FTX's or SST's? Just curious. Again, we have to realize that the Parkers are softer of have a thinner jacket which will seal the bore better than the thicker Hornady's...............and, shoot them with your single powder load sized as loose as you do with the Parkers. I have shot Parkers and know that day in and day out they will shoot better than the Hornady's Richard Richard.. I have shot the Hornady bullets and this is the kind of accuracy I get from them... These were the .452 Hornady FTX ,,, 250 grainers....
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 28, 2014 20:26:58 GMT -5
I shot a 0.000 group with my Savage ML, sorry no witnesses. Too afraid to take a second shot for fear of screwing up the group edge. Now thats the way to have a little fun...... LOL... It's all in good fun...for most of us.
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 28, 2014 20:31:08 GMT -5
Here's couple 3 shot 200yd groups with those lowly BC bullets and duplex loads. One with 10/58 4759/H4198 250 FTX and the other with 11/59 N110/H322 250 TEZ.. These were shot with my Mtn. Sav-Pac 24" PacNor barrel @ 8 3/4#... Don't shoot at 100yds anymore..Too boring Zen Thats some darn good shooting... I can tell you shot it with a Muzzleloader and not a 12 ga. double OO buck.... Looks good.. If we could do it that way every time we would have all the answers...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:34:29 GMT -5
One hole groups are in there own class and the bigger the caliber the less frequent
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 28, 2014 20:37:11 GMT -5
I guess the other members didn't see where your informative thread of a new conversion was derailed by Rich for some reason....IMO this whole thread is for Richard and deservingly so..... Some can dish it out, some can take it back,, others can not. I am here to learn and pass on some of my knowledge, Those that know everything can't learn anything else,, When I stop learniing I will be horizontal and 6 feet under. Jeff... I want some more shrimp.. I'm tired of eating pulled pork... Jeff.
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Post by edwardamason on Aug 28, 2014 20:48:48 GMT -5
Yes Jeff that is good shooting and obviously an accurate rifle. That being said: I would just like to see you shoot some groups with that rifle using a generic bullet like those from Hornady which is what I shot the .244" five shot group with....vs. the 275 Parkers you used. This is not a poke at your accuracy (I am serious here) but will it do it with any of Hornady's FTX's or SST's? Just curious. Again, we have to realize that the Parkers are softer of have a thinner jacket which will seal the bore better than the thicker Hornady's...............and, shoot them with your single powder load sized as loose as you do with the Parkers. I have shot Parkers and know that day in and day out they will shoot better than the Hornady's Richard Richard.. I have shot the Hornady bullets and this is the kind of accuracy I get from them... These were the .452 Hornady FTX ,,, 250 grainers.... Not bad for a "generic" bullet
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 21:36:03 GMT -5
Come on man that's just too much,lol...Ain't nobody else shooting like that.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 22:03:36 GMT -5
we all know that Kentucky is the home of the "Long Rifle", looks like its the home of the "Accurate Rifle" as well..LOL
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 28, 2014 22:26:10 GMT -5
Here are some groups from my 9# scoped gun. (I need to do a better job of recording conditions on my targets.) Good rest, good trigger, right load, and these guns will shoot. I'm not saying duplexing is the answer, but saying you haven't seen duplexs loads shoot, just means you haven't been on the board for long. Jeff, honest question, you only ever pump your system and tend to point out flaws in others. Since nothing is perfect, what are some the issues you've had to overcome with yours? 310APB FF 100 yards (N120) 310APB FF 375 yards (N120) (Not as good as Bill's 400yard group ) 275MH 100 Yards I think this was only 2 shots as I only had 2 bullets sized. (N110/H322) Duplex groups from back in the day with a McGowen barreled gun. I couldn't find the summer group I shot with it at 200yards in 90F weather that was ~1". 275BE @90 yards 4 shots in 4 days in 20-30F weather. Shot high left is fouler on a clean bore first day. (N110/H322)
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