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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 22, 2014 10:49:04 GMT -5
the UBC might be a good idea but since I never shoot BP or subs I have no idea what to advise him to do. fill him in if you don't mind sir. I have only used UBC for two applications: blackpowder muzzleloaders and to "clean up" rougher barrels. I use it in sidlelock guns for two reasons: Green Mountain barrels are good but I do not believe they are finish lapped so UBC fills voids and because it rust-proofs the bore. In rougher barrels (whether a factory tube or one that is half-way to a set-back and re-chamber) there is rough spots and/or fire cracking; in these barrels I shoot Final Finish or TMS bullets depending on condition then fill in the voids with UBC. In a good barrel like his Brux the advantage is rust-proofing and easier clean up. I like not worrying about my bore growing a red beard during a hunt if I have had to discharge and field clean. The clean up becomes a snap though as fouling does not adhere to the ceramic like it does to the steel. Some may say it is snake oil but I am a believer for the two purposes listed. The Brux barrel is stainless so rust should not be a problem even if he was shooting FFFg black powder as long as he cleans it with in the week of shooting... IMHO Jeff |
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 22, 2014 11:29:44 GMT -5
I still use UBC on BP guns. I have seen stainless TC and Knight guns rust before. I have passed on pitted Rem700ML SS guns because of rust. I don't know how long it took but it can and will happen.
The way I used to clean BP guns was to clean them with soapy water, hit them with an air compressor, swab them with denatured alcohol, then air compressor again, then lube them. The next day I go back and swab them with denatured alcohol and re-lube them. That method seemed to generally keep any and all rust away. With UBC it works 100% of the time and I could skip the second day spot-test. Also between shots I spit swab and it seems BP fouling does not cling to the ceramic.
In the immortal words of Ben Franklin, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
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Post by rambler on Aug 22, 2014 11:50:44 GMT -5
I'm glad where I live now and my home state of Iowa allows smokeless powders. Black Powder is nasty and hard on any type of barrel, stainless or otherwise.
I'd go thru a similar process as 7mm, it was a hassle.
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Post by airborneike on Aug 22, 2014 12:04:59 GMT -5
Nice rifle Bill, Quality at its best!
The UBC sounds interesting
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Post by nmhunter on Aug 22, 2014 15:06:21 GMT -5
I am going to give the UBC a try. It can't hurt:) Unfortunately, NM does not allow smokeless unless you pull a normal rifle tag of course.
Bestill (thank you!) recommended the following Black Horn 209 load:
138 volume or 97.5+- by weight with a 300 grain max hunter. Sounds like it will put me up around 2,300 to 2,400 feet per second with a 300+- grain bullet. Bill sent me some 310 grain APB's to get started with. Unfortunately, due to health issues, it is going to be a couple of weeks before I put it on paper. Bill said he was very successful with the typical 70 grain smokeless load and the 310's.
Estimated drop and MOA from Bestill with load above:
Scope zero at 100
3.0 moa @ 200 - 6"
7.0 moa @300 -21"
11.5moa @400 -46"
18 moa @500 -90"
I am really curious to see how she does with the BH. If you guys have any other suggestions for BP let me know.
Thanks again,
NMHunter
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Post by nmhunter on Aug 22, 2014 15:25:07 GMT -5
Question: "Boy I would love to have a rifle like that.. What's the price tag if I was to get one set up just like yours with a black and grey stock?"
All I can say is contact HillBill before he gets overwhelmed with orders. His pricing is reasonable, he is an absolute pleasure to work with, he is always straight up, and he puts out a hell of an end product. The quality of his work can be seen in the pictures. I will post some more as soon as I can figure out how to get them posted...
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Post by Alabama on Aug 22, 2014 15:52:54 GMT -5
Bestill's Blackhorn gun shoots very well!!! Some impressive shots at the Kentucky Challenge. Was the only gun belching smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:25:06 GMT -5
Hillbill that gun is Purdy! Kyle
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:41:57 GMT -5
looks good in the hands, originally built it for myself to take to the shoot, then built the bloodsport gun to take to the shoot, you saw what I was shooting..LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:49:59 GMT -5
I got a feeling that you will be "loaded for bear" with a different gun next year at the shoot. Kyle |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 19:55:36 GMT -5
you never know what I might show up with..
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 22, 2014 20:01:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 20:07:11 GMT -5
That's a good looking gun for sure. How does she shoot? Kyle
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 20:08:43 GMT -5
yep, should have kept it. now lets see it laying beside a big 6x6 bull..
it shot well with the 310s and 70 grns 4198 but with the blackhorn?? I hope its dead nuts..
he had an accident and I don't know that he has shot it yet..
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 22, 2014 20:08:48 GMT -5
Andy said he is in a bit of a hurt right now but hopefully he finds out soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 20:18:19 GMT -5
Im working on one now in the same stock but different color, I think that's my favorite stock for a do all rig. Mcmillan HTG I think.
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Post by nmhunter on Aug 22, 2014 20:25:51 GMT -5
I am the living safety topic at work. I pulled slip and fall and ended up with a concussion and a good 15-20 stitches in my forehead and screwed up my knee pretty good. I sure showed those concrete steps who was boss:) It is going to be a couple of weeks before I can take the recoil of putting some holes in paper… The good doctor promised I would be ready to go for the hunt. Of course that was the only thing I could talk about while he stitched me up for an hour and a half. It sure slowed down my scouting trips, but it could have been a lot worse. One thing I do know is that the setback sure made me appreciate life, family, friends, good health, and fine muzzleloaders.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 22, 2014 20:33:36 GMT -5
Bill,
What inlet did you order or was it one of the internet specials? It does not appear that the mag box cutout goes through. Did you modify a 40-X inlet?
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Post by nmhunter on Aug 22, 2014 20:33:40 GMT -5
The balance is perfect and I found the weight to be right on. It is going to be a little heavy to pack in at 10 lbs, but it is still manageable. It is very steady off hand. I've got a lightweight 300 WSM, but it is so light it is tough to balance and difficult to hold still off hand. I've been thinking about adding a lightweight rail for a quick detach Atlas bipod for long western shots that we have out here. The SRS seems to be the ticket as it is lightweight and still has a sling mounting point. www.seekinsprecision.com/srs-rail-hs-precision-2-0-hole-spacing.htmlAny thoughts? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 20:34:06 GMT -5
heal up and go get that bull
should work well but will require an extra hole recessed in the barrel channel for the T nut and of course through the bottom of the forearm. would be a neat mount though..
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 22, 2014 20:39:30 GMT -5
The balance is perfect and I found the weight to be right on. It is going to be a little heavy to pack in at 10 lbs, but it is still manageable. It is very steady off hand. I've got a lightweight 300 WSM, but it is so light it is tough to balance and difficult to hold still off hand. I've been thinking about adding a lightweight rail for a quick detach Atlas bipod for long western shots that we have out here. The SRS seems to be the ticket as it is lightweight and still has a sling mounting point. www.seekinsprecision.com/srs-rail-hs-precision-2-0-hole-spacing.htmlAny thoughts? I use one that Atlas makes with a push-button swivel. Works great. That way I don't have to keep the bi-pod on the gun since I don't like how it handles. That Seekins should work well too. I bed brass inserts into the stock and secure it with machine screws; you can swap the rail between guns that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 20:47:10 GMT -5
7MM
that stock was a normal BDL short action I purchased on another site, I bed across the mag well and make a storage compartment. the barrel channel was fit to the barrel by me, I think it was a sendero contour or similar originally. I had to add pillars and make my usual mess before painting. it was painted after bedding and all other work was done..
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Post by wirtbowhunter on Aug 22, 2014 20:49:42 GMT -5
Very nice looking rig. Can't wait to see you holding it with some kill pictures.
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Post by sparkman on Aug 22, 2014 20:50:29 GMT -5
Now THAT is a Hunting rifle!!..
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Post by 7mmfreak on Aug 22, 2014 20:52:55 GMT -5
I hear you about the mess. I spent the morning bedding an ADL stock after turning it into a solid fill through the action and filling in the barrel channel. In effect it became a full-length glass bed job with pillars but when I peel the tape off the barrel it will be floating. I still have QD push-button inserts to install, hardware for an adjustable cheeck-piece, and bushings for the rail I mentioned a second ago. I am not looking forward to painting. You have to be sick to enjoy this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 21:03:10 GMT -5
no DISEASED..
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Post by rick59 on Aug 26, 2014 21:18:42 GMT -5
Another outstanding HB custom!
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Post by nmhunter on Oct 12, 2014 17:31:01 GMT -5
Been playing around with her some more (I suppose I should name her). Actual weight with Swarovski is 9.12 lbs. Subtract off the scope at 14 ounces and you are down to 8.14. Take off the bases and rings and it is around 8.10 (maybe lighter). Take off the break and it is a 8.8 lb rifle. Incredibly well balanced. I've shot it without the break with BH209 - 138 grains by volume with .458 310gr Arrowhead Performance Bullets ran through the full form die. First two shots on paper were 2" apart at 200 yards. It only got better from there at the 200 yard range. I am thinking I can get it down to 1/2" MOA at 200 yards the range with the break and some practice. I took it out in the hills and was nailing roughly 12x12 rocks at 300, 400, and 500 yards. The scope is lined up perfectly with the turret system. 1 dot, 300 yards, 2 dots 400 yards, 3 dots 500 yards. I need to go further, but I am wondering about the knock down power past 400 yards. The recoil is very tolerable without the break. I will post my upcoming results from the range. This is an amazing rifle that puts me in another league here in NM muzzleloading hunts - thank you Bill! Everyone else is carrying around 100 yard ML's. If anyone is thinking about a build from Hillbill, you better get on the ringer. He keeps threatening to retire and his prices are very, very reasonable. No mine is not for sale  NM Hunter |
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Post by Richard on Oct 12, 2014 18:42:40 GMT -5
Nice work Bill! nmhunter...............why not ship it down to NC and I'll get it dialed in for you and ready to shoot by the time you are all healed up! Good luck with it! Richard |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 19:50:28 GMT -5
Im working on my last ones for the year, two full weeks of bow season have come and gone and I have yet to climb a tree. Its killing me but I swore I would not go til I got all these builds done and Im almost there.
Off to Ohio at the end of the month but until then the does around here are going to see the bottled up wrath of my destroyer LE...
glad the gun is working well, it was hard to part with that one..
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