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Post by rangeball on Aug 18, 2014 10:31:28 GMT -5
I think you said you hoped to have some by the shoot. Any chance you can tell us more about it now?
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Post by Alabama on Aug 18, 2014 11:11:55 GMT -5
Jeff had some. They were the MH with a BE jacket thickness. Not sure if any were shot or not.
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Post by rangeball on Aug 18, 2014 11:49:01 GMT -5
Bonded by any chance?
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Post by bestill on Aug 18, 2014 18:01:30 GMT -5
270 gr. .015 jacket mh design
I shot 3 shot group at sub 1 moa at 100 yds . I like new design be great target bullet with higher bc than be be will swell into rifling easier.
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 18, 2014 18:33:12 GMT -5
Yes I had some and at the present time they are exactly what bestill said. 270 grain, match hunter with a BE jacket.. Bestill tested three of them against the standard match hunter, side by side, and yes they did shoot better.
The bullet is under more testing and when Bob Parker is satisfied with it performance he will add them to his website and offer them for sale. However, Bob is covered up with orders for BE's and MH's so it might be awhile before he has them for sale. If you want to speed up the makings of this bullet,,, call Bob and order a 100. Get on the list and be patient.. Jeff
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Post by bestill on Aug 18, 2014 19:05:47 GMT -5
Exactly . Id love to get them up around 310 to 320 grain just let bob know if theres a demand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:15:32 GMT -5
Do you have an idea on what they would run for price? In between the MH and BE's maybe?
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 18, 2014 19:19:55 GMT -5
They are made just like the match hunter so the price will be the same I would guess..
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 18, 2014 19:29:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure price will be the same. They should be great for shooting paper, but the MH is already plenty explosive for deer. I used the 275BE for one season, and on the 7 deer I shot, I didn't have 1 exit! If you don't mind throwing away the front half of the deer, it might be ok, but Iowa deer are good eating!
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 18, 2014 21:59:13 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure price will be the same. They should be great for shooting paper, but the MH is already plenty explosive for deer. I used the 275BE for one season, and on the 7 deer I shot, I didn't have 1 exit! If you don't mind throwing away the front half of the deer, it might be ok, but Iowa deer are good eating! Lwh.. I can sell you a rifle that you can shoot those seven deer in the eye hole at 200 yards,, then you won't loose any meat.. Lol.. The new bullet is built for better BC so that the guys that like the shooting characteristics of the BE's can have that with the BC of the MH's. I've shot a bunch of deer with the BE's too (20 or more) and not one exit, but I found every deer dead in its tracks and I'd rather spend my time dragging them to the truck than tracking them on someone else's farm, pissing off the neighbors. .. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of good bullets out there and all will kill deer but the name of the game for me is accuracy.. If I can't shoot a crow at 300 yards I'd just assume use the rifle for a boat anchor..My rifles are heavy enough to hold back a battle ship so I have a use for them if they don't shoot.. I know not every one likes to shoot crows and ground hogs but if you do accuracy and repeat ability is the name of the game.. We all have our own ideas of the perfect set up, some like light weight rifles with heavy slow bullets, some like heavy rifles with fast light bullets., I like all rifles that are accurate. Jeff.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 22:12:52 GMT -5
I spoke with Bob Parker today, said he was covered up. I think I'll put an order in for 50 or 100 of the new 270 grainers with the .015" jackets. Seems like these bullets should be better at longer ranges. Kyle
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 18, 2014 22:19:54 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure price will be the same. They should be great for shooting paper, but the MH is already plenty explosive for deer. I used the 275BE for one season, and on the 7 deer I shot, I didn't have 1 exit! If you don't mind throwing away the front half of the deer, it might be ok, but Iowa deer are good eating! Lwh.. I can sell you a rifle that you can shoot those seven deer in the eye hole at 200 yards,, then you won't loose any meat.. Lol.. The new bullet is built for better BC so that the guys that like the shooting characteristics of the BE's can have that with the BC of the MH's. I've shot a bunch of deer with the BE's too (20 or more) and not one exit, but I found every deer dead in its tracks and I'd rather spend my time dragging them to the truck than tracking them on someone else's farm, pissing off the neighbors. .. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of good bullets out there and all will kill deer but the name of the game for me is accuracy.. If I can't shoot a crow at 300 yards I'd just assume use the rifle for a boat anchor..My rifles are heavy enough to hold back a battle ship so I have a use for them if they don't shoot.. I know not every one likes to shoot crows and ground hogs but if you do accuracy and repeat ability is the name of the game.. We all have our own ideas of the perfect set up, some like light weight rifles with heavy slow bullets, some like heavy rifles with fast light bullets., I like all rifles that are accurate. Jeff.. Why are you trying to sell your rifles in every other post you make? Are you short business? Seriously... It's getting old. |
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 18, 2014 22:27:07 GMT -5
It's a joke Luke...... Can't you take it or are you jealous that.. Why do you cut down others,, from their rifles to the bullets they make, is you business doing so badly that you need to downgrade others products to make yours look better... Come on and relax.... I think you told me that once...
I know you wouldn't buy a rifle from me if I sold it for $10.00,, because if you did you'd never shoot your own again.. Lol..... Loose up.. Ole buddy..
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 18, 2014 22:43:36 GMT -5
It's a joke Luke...... Can't you take it or are you jealous that.. Why do you cut down others,, from their rifles to the bullets they make, is you business doing so badly that you need to downgrade others products to make yours look better... Come on and relax.... I think you told me that once... I know you wouldn't buy a rifle from me if I sold it for $10.00,, because if you did you'd never shoot your own again.. Lol..... Loose up.. Ole buddy.. That's pretty funny. Please give an example of whose rifle I tore down? As far as tearing Bob's bullets down... Bob didn't seem at all offended when I told him exactly what I wrote above last week on the phone. Probably a great bullet for punching paper, but too thin of jacket for deer hunting. Oh wow, how demeaning. I'm one of Bob's best customers. Last week Bob was actually passing my name out to some of his customers because I still had a few MH's in stock when everyone one else was out. And yes, I will stock the 270MH when it comes out because I know not everyone has same tastes in bullets as me, but I don't sell stuff just to make a buck. I give my honest opinion. Actually, just today I had a customer call me wanting to use my 310APB, but after discussing it with him, I flat out told him that I thought Parkers 275MH was a better fit for him. For $10, that would be a great upgrade for my boat anchor--let me know where to send the check. |
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Post by hankinsrfls on Aug 18, 2014 23:12:14 GMT -5
Never stops with some..
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 18, 2014 23:14:59 GMT -5
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Post by edge on Aug 19, 2014 7:29:50 GMT -5
YIKES, the old "best" bullet thread  IMO, fragile bullets are boiler room bullets...perhaps head and neck bullets, maybe. I sometimes shoot Sierra Match Kings / Nosler Custom Competition in my ML and at close range ( under 150 yards ) they make a HUGE mess but since they are accurate they end up in the heart lung area every time and almost never lose an ounce of meat ( I don't eat organs  ). If you like the high shoulder shot then you have to expect to lose some meat, but if you use a fragile bullet you may lose quite a bit. edge. |
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Post by rangeball on Aug 19, 2014 8:43:49 GMT -5
Luke, that's why I was hoping it would be bonded. Thinner jacket to get good obturation but a better chance at holding together.
Oh well.
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Post by jsthntn247 on Aug 19, 2014 13:34:49 GMT -5
What is a good "tough" bullet yall reccomend for hunting? I won't shoot one that I can't expect pass through's. A 275 lb whitetail will tote whatever you hit him with, better have a blood trail to follow.
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Post by Alabama on Aug 19, 2014 13:40:25 GMT -5
jsthntn247, you are gonna get 50 different opinions!! My choice is the Parker Match Hunter. You pick the grain.
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 19, 2014 13:49:29 GMT -5
What is a good "tough" bullet yall reccomend for hunting? I won't shoot one that I can't expect pass through's. A 275 lb whitetail will tote whatever you hit him with, better have a blood trail to follow. Full form sizing. 310apb Smooth sizing. 300mh. |
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Post by rangeball on Aug 19, 2014 14:00:04 GMT -5
What is a good "tough" bullet yall reccomend for hunting? I won't shoot one that I can't expect pass through's. A 275 lb whitetail will tote whatever you hit him with, better have a blood trail to follow. Full form sizing. 310apb Smooth sizing. 300mh. Saboted in a .50/sabotless in a .45- Both of those plus a 250/300gr barnes TEZ. Saboltess in a .50- Thor. |
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Post by lwh723 on Aug 19, 2014 14:32:19 GMT -5
Full form sizing. 310apb Smooth sizing. 300mh. Saboted in a .50/sabotless in a .45- Both of those plus a 250/300gr barnes TEZ. Saboltess in a .50- Thor. Yeah, the TEZ would be good option too if you don't mind giving up the BC. Can't beat a Barnes for expansion and weight retention. Don't forget the 195gr Expander Saboted in a 45cal. That thing is magic on deer. |
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Post by rambler on Aug 19, 2014 14:36:18 GMT -5
What kind of effective range can a guy get out of the saboted 45 cal 195gr Expander?
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Post by rangeball on Aug 19, 2014 14:46:51 GMT -5
Assuming 2700 fps with a 210 yd zero it's +/- 3" to 245 yds and only 12" low at 300 (hold top of back) with 950ish fpe retained.
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Post by 7mmmag on Aug 19, 2014 18:07:55 GMT -5
I have never shot deer or any other animal yet but I have tested on several different things. I can say a 300 MH @ 2908 fps will blow through 1/4 galvanized plate and into oak at 300 yds with 254.4 gr retained in a perfect round mushroom . I can't see needing any more !
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Post by sw on Aug 20, 2014 7:29:33 GMT -5
This is information about older style bullets but with about 100 deer between my son and me. This might be helpful to some.
200 SST - tougher than 250 SST, still a bit frangible. My main longer range bullet out of 40. Need to keep in boiler room but yet to loose any deer, even shoulder shots.
250XTP/SST - the bullet that gave XTPs/SSTs a bad name. Pistol bullets that are extremely frangible at smokeless velocities.
300XTP/SST - accurate, reasonably tough, a worthy consideration. To me, tougher than BEs.
275 BE - Obturates very well sabotless, also great saboted in 50. Too frangible for me. Ended up shooting a sizable buck 3 x before he stayed down.
175/195 Barnes - unbelievable terminal performance! Never a second shot needed. If 200-225 yds max, this is the bullet. Poor BC, lots of xwind drift. I use them.
275/300 MH - never killed a deer with these. However, 200-400 yd shooting with L & V winds they significantly outperformed 200&300SST and 195Bs.
Only have smooth die(on loan).
I would have no interest in thin skinned MH(the one mentioned as a prototype) for hunting purposes but would for tgt shooting. The MH likely best overall bullet, IMO.
I have 5 rifles set up. 200 SST in 40, 195B in HandiRifle, 275MH in 45s and 50. Expect 300MH best compromise for most longer range shooting. 327 for very long range.
This may be of some help to someone.
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Post by rickyb on Aug 20, 2014 7:49:13 GMT -5
This is information about older style bullets but with about 100 deer between my son and me. This might be helpful to some. 200 SST - tougher than 250 SST, still a bit frangible. My main longer range bullet out of 40. Need to keep in boiler room but yet to loose any deer, even shoulder shots. 250XTP/SST - the bullet that gave XTPs/SSTs a bad name. Pistol bullets that are extremely frangible at smokeless velocities. 300XTP/SST - accurate, reasonably tough, a worthy consideration. To me, tougher than BEs. 275 BE - Obturates very well sabotless, also great saboted in 50. Too frangible for me. Ended up shooting a sizable buck 3 x before he stayed down. 175/195 Barnes - unbelievable terminal performance! Never a second shot needed. If 200-225 yds max, this is the bullet. Poor BC, lots of xwind drift. I use them. 275/300 MH - never killed a deer with these. However, 200-400 yd shooting with L & V winds they significantly outperformed 200&300SST and 195Bs. Only have smooth die(on loan). I would have no interest in thin skinned MH(the one mentioned as a prototype) for hunting purposes but would for tgt shooting. The MH likely best overall bullet, IMO. I have 5 rifles set up. 200 SST in 40, 195B in HandiRifle, 275MH in 45s and 50. Expect 300MH best compromise for most longer range shooting. 327 for very long range. This may be of some help to someone. IT was a big help to me. Thanks for posting. Rick |
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Post by rambler on Aug 20, 2014 8:18:21 GMT -5
This is information about older style bullets but with about 100 deer between my son and me. This might be helpful to some. 200 SST - tougher than 250 SST, still a bit frangible. My main longer range bullet out of 40. Need to keep in boiler room but yet to loose any deer, even shoulder shots. 250XTP/SST - the bullet that gave XTPs/SSTs a bad name. Pistol bullets that are extremely frangible at smokeless velocities. 300XTP/SST - accurate, reasonably tough, a worthy consideration. To me, tougher than BEs. 275 BE - Obturates very well sabotless, also great saboted in 50. Too frangible for me. Ended up shooting a sizable buck 3 x before he stayed down. 175/195 Barnes - unbelievable terminal performance! Never a second shot needed. If 200-225 yds max, this is the bullet. Poor BC, lots of xwind drift. I use them. 275/300 MH - never killed a deer with these. However, 200-400 yd shooting with L & V winds they significantly outperformed 200&300SST and 195Bs. Only have smooth die(on loan). I would have no interest in thin skinned MH(the one mentioned as a prototype) for hunting purposes but would for tgt shooting. The MH likely best overall bullet, IMO. I have 5 rifles set up. 200 SST in 40, 195B in HandiRifle, 275MH in 45s and 50. Expect 300MH best compromise for most longer range shooting. 327 for very long range. This may be of some help to someone. It was and is of enormous help to me.
Thanks sw!!
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Post by sw on Aug 20, 2014 13:44:26 GMT -5
I have a friend who has shot the Barnes 250g TEZ/45g VV-110/win 209 since 2001-2002. Great accuracy, never lost a deer or elk. 2450ish'/sec. He's never tried another load. 1st year 10-ML2. I'm not so sure that most of us are not deep into dismissing returns trying to beat that set up.
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