Where's the common sense???

[wilmsmeyer]

So...you are getting pummeled with indiscriminate rocket fire. 1000's of rockets fired into your country. You realize that the rockets mainly do not much damage...BUT they sure could with a lucky hit. Maybe a school or a hospital. It doesn't stop. Day after day after day. People alter their lives to avoid the "lucky hit"

The same radical folks have built tunnels and highways from their land to yours. Camo'ed by schools, churches and other civilian structures. dozens upon dozens of them. Now and then, violent people erupt from these tunnels and kidnap and kill your nationals. And continue to build their "infrastructure" of terror.

Imagine the same thing here? We are not far from the general principle. Drug runners and human smugglers have built tunnels to the USA from Mexico. No they are not firing on this country....BUT WAIT..they just did last week with 50 cal machine guns!! Cover fire for illegals crossing the Rio Grande on jet skis!.

OK...your a community of chipmunks: A few chipmunks that can't find any nuts blame the hawks. The majority of chipmunks are fairly normal chipmunks with kids and the desire to live peacefully. The bad chipmunks climb up the high trees and throw little baby hawks out of their nests. They take a baby hawk now and then and torture and kill it...or hold it hostage. Now, the hawks say enough and start taking charge to avoid the chipmunks from tormenting all the hawks. They cave in their boroughs. They destroy their supply of nuts. Chipmunks good or bad are killed in the attempt to protect the harassed hawks.

If you were an innocent chipmunk getting attacked by powerful hawks, what is your best course of action? To me it would be for the good chipmunks to corral the bad chipmunks into stopping the nest raiding. Stopping the stupid intimidation of the hawks. Realizing that the hawks are here to stay and that they will protect their kin and pound all chipmunks into the ground to accomplish this.

The key to peace, if that's possible in the mid-east, is the average Gaza resident to stand up to Hamas and say..."STOP THE ROCKETS"....You can't do anything but anger the hornets nest of Israel and provoke the bees with huge stingers. If the populous supports the rocket fire into Israel, than the populous is part of the problem.. Israel is dealing with it in a brutal, systematic way. Just like they should. I hope they don't back down. It's a sliver of hope on how we should deal with the radical Islam folks of the world.

I wonder what we would do if Mexico or Canada would fire shells into populated areas days on end. I'm afraid that with this administration, we would leave it up to the UN to guide us. Crazy times

[airborneike]

Frustrating, isn't it. Good post Wilmsmeyer. You may not like Israel or some of the things they do but look at the alternative in that part of the world. I am a christian and not ashamed to say so and if the bible is true (I believe it is) then the Jews are indeed God's chosen people and I don't think it is wise or prudent to oppose Israel.

Don't even pretend to know what the answer or solution is for the conflict there but I will support the only democracy that exists in that part of the world. Amazing to me how some "progressive" people go on about the poor Islamic people and how we should be "inclusive" of them...but...if for no other reason...look how they treat their women...it is crazy. Hollywood's elite don't realize that there are people in this world (islamic jihadists) who WILL kill them if the opportunity arises. There is a BIG difference between theoretical ideas and the reality on the ground...just ask any soldier who has witnessed the craziness that is done in the name of allah.

[bestill]

Something to think on !
Ishmael was born outside the covenant of marriage because lack of faith in god by Abraham. So Ishmael was born in opposition of gods word. Leaving Ishmael to be the father of arabs and islam thousands of years of opposition. And will always be. Until our savior returns. All i can do is pray and follow Jesus and spread the good news of our savior.My bible ends in victory not death!!!!

[edge]

I doubt that it is possible for someone living near where these tunnels are built to not know they are building them.
I also doubt that those same "innocent" neighbors do not see the rockets and arms being stashed.

IMO, they only have a few choices.
1) Move away and take their families and belongings;
2) Kill those responsible and destroy the tunnels and munitions;
3) Alert the Israelis as to the location and when be one would be there;
4) Stay and become martyrs.

IMO, the reason Afghanistan and Iraq wars took so long is because we use too many precision munitions!
I am not advocating targeting civilians but if they know that your targeting is such that you can hit your intended target with one shot then they feel save and then you need more smart bombs.

On the other hand if you're using mortars and artillery then the area destroyed is larger and truly innocent people will leave, coconspirators will stay and die as martyrs.  

edge.

[Deleted]

Imo they all thrive on conflict...they know nothing else....They are and have been born in conflict and grow up with it....
We can't understand it because we grow up in a completely different society....They just happen to be sitting on top of most of the planet's oil...So we must do something or be involved one way or another.....

[ET]

Political and radical beliefs (Islamic) supported by what they believe is justified action (terrorism) rule the majority of the middle-east. The real time problem today also is that this terrorism is not confined to the middle-east but spreading around the world with today’s modern transportation. Even deadly viruses and diseases are quickly carried this way.

Like other believers this will not cease until Christ’s return and Satan is put away. Any intervention from mankind will not stop what is going on. Yes some very limited damage control can be obtained but with the cost of many lives.

Wilmsmeyer
I understand your point of a belief first attacking another and when retaliation is employed the attacker cries foul even though they are responsible for initiating the conflict. Then they seek the world for support and sympathy for a cause that is false. If others don’t rally to their cause and do nothing then they are considered enemies as well.
Such is the world we live in.


Ed

[Deleted]

Satan is goin to take a good dose from me before I go down brother.....

[wilmsmeyer]

Whatever religion we are all from...however the small people on a small dirt speck in eternal space believe....we must all fight for what we believe is right. Islam is doing it and we must do it. Wars are terrible and modern weaponry and TV make it more disturbing.

However, everyone in the fight feels they are correct. So, the one with the best offense and defense should prevail. Yes...innocent civilians will parish. Better their civilians than ours. In WWII, allies carpet bombed Berlin. Germany carpet bombed London. No regard for life. Only a desire to win and end the war before the enemy gained the upper hand.

The world of smart bombs has made our country weak. Yes we can hit a coke can from 1000 miles away with a cruise missile...but we can't engage a terrorist that hides in a mosque amongst women and children 1000 ft away.

Israel is taking it to their enemy in a way that wars used to be fought. In a way to win and secure their safety. This is the way wars that are meant to be WON are fought. To minimize the damage, the enemy must surrender and cave in. If not, keep pounding them.

The free world, it seems, has gotten soft. We don't need to wait for any religious event to save the free world. We need to galvanize the free world to decimate these terrorist organizations to a pulp.

[ET]

Wilmsmeyer

Throughout man-kinds history there have always been wars and Israel will not simply win and end the war. They will obtain a short reprieve until the next time.
A valid question is how are they able to survive and defeat such overwhelming odds?

I don’t believe we live in a totally free world because I can’t say what we freely possess.
Even our choices are regulated by a governing body that limits our so called freedom. We are required to live in the confines of our governed freedom.
Don’t get me wrong for I’m truly grateful for our limited freedom and for those that made sacrifices for us to enjoy it.

As long as mankind is the ruling body there will never be total peace. The Israelis don’t have a lot of options to deal with the threat they face and innocent lives will be lost.
For the world to organize and decimate terrorism altogether which would basically require the elimination of a culture that believes and supports terrorism would we be talking Genocide?

For me there is only 1-plausible answer as to the root of terrorism and until that root is eliminated it will always come back and have to be dealt with and innocent lives will be included in the loss.

Ed

[rossman40]

From the military side the IDF has radar systems in place that detects the rocket or mortar once fired and before it's halfway to it's target can tell you where it was launched from and where it will land. Before it hits the ground firing data can be on a howitzer to send shells on the launch point. The Hamas rocket systems are a bit crude, a rocket and some sticks, no guidance just point in the general direction and shoot,




So when the Hamas guys come in and start to set up their rockets in a playground, where are the parents of the kids that may be killed when the IDF returns fire on the launch site? Were they part of the crowd cheering the Hamas guys on? The Hamas guys know once they launch to get away from the launch site as quickly as possible but when they set their launch site up next to a school,hospital or mosque they are hoping the IDF won't return fire. Till the general population stands up against the rocket launches it will just keep going. I don't see anybody stopping the Hamas guys, or maybe that is why the Hamas guys carry guns. I don't hear of anybody calling the police when they see somebody setting up rockets, wait a minute, Hamas is the police. Are the people innocent if they support or knownly allow Hamas to do the rocket launches?

It will only go so far, then the Israelis will come in and as the Joni Mitchell song goes, "they tore down paradise and put up a parking lot". They did it on a small scale in the past and came out looking like the bad guy. Maybe if the IDF announces that every detected launch site will get 18 155mm HE rounds that might change things.

If the Mexicans started launching rockets from Tijuana into San Diego how long would it be before we started carpet bombing or turned it into a glass parking lot.

[edge]

"Are the people innocent if they support or knownly allow Hamas to do the rocket launches?"

Hamas has been labelled a terrorist group for quite some time.
A large part of the population voted FOR Hamas, and Mahmoud Abbas made a coalition government with them...you can't be "innocent" when you knowingly do this!

IMO, edge.

[Alabama]

Are there really innocent civilians in Gaza? If the innocents rose up or allied with the Idf this would come to a quick end. Unfortunately all they know is to destroy Zionist Israel , men women and children. These people have fought for thousands of years and will never stop. The parents raise the children to hate, the children raise their children to hate and so on. As bad as it sounds, the only way to get rid I the Mideast problem is to kill all the men, women and children or the cycle will continue.
Israel knows this and I doubt they would lose one nights sleep leveling Gaza, golan heights and the West Bank to a sand box full of dead bodies if I weren't for the fallout from the rest if the world.

There is no political solution to the problem. Live by the sword, die by the sword.