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Post by bigmoose on Jul 19, 2014 12:51:55 GMT -5
Just got an e-mail from remington obout their new muzzleloader, 250gr. bullet with 200grs of 777 powder, at 2400 FPS.
It says that puts it in 338 mag territory..........really
No price as yet new ignition system 9 1/2 large magnum primer
sound interesting.
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Post by 7mmfreak on Jul 19, 2014 13:09:32 GMT -5
If I am going to contribute an extra 100+ grains to ejecta (read recoil)I want it in the bullet not the propellant.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jul 19, 2014 13:23:29 GMT -5
Sounds like if this were happening, it is nothing more than a marketing ploy. Even if the ballistics were the same I wonder WHY anyone would bite on this?
200 gr (probably volume equivalent) is A LOT of propellant. That will equal serious recoil IF it all burns.
This has nothing on Blackhorn 209. I was getting 2200 fps with a 325 gr bullet and 90 gr weighed of BH209 and great accuracy and consistency. And, a guy could get a Savage and use a mouse dose of 44 gr N110 and get the same thing.
If only the big manufacturers would follow the lead of Savage and make smokeless ML's. Best of both worlds. In states that allowed smokeless you'd be fine. AND, you could be a BIG MOOSE and shoot 400 gr bullets at the same speed and be in .458 Win Mag territory. In states that don't, you could still use it with ANY sub.
A book loaded Savage and a 250 gr bullet at 2300-2400 fps is very manageable for most shooters. I can't imagine that it is fun for many people to light up 200 gr either weighed or equivalent and call it fun under any bullet.
Something to raise eyebrows and get the smokers talking and buying for the fall. As for .338 ballistics? Only on paper at the muzzle. There is no comparison in any way. After that it's nothing more then a brick chucker compared to a .338. Probably more impressive than a .338 in recoil. Check out a comparison at 200-300 yds. AND...if you are buying a gun like this and you are average Joe 6 pack, that's where you THINK this gun will get you. WAY OUT THERE.....NOT!!
Whatever.
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Post by linebaugh on Jul 19, 2014 13:51:12 GMT -5
MSRP 1295$ I'd expect them to hit the market at $1000+ depending on how eager the public is to buy another new smokepole.
Was it just me dreaming or was this supposed to be a smokeless gun at one time? I've had a bunch of people ask me this and perhaps that is where I dreamed it up?
For the price you do get a medalist stock, fluted bbl and better trigger plus that nifty primer carrier under the floor plate. That should sell a few by itself... lol.
My prediction is if they don't market the gun as a smokeless then it will be forgot about two years after the grand entry. I would certainly think it is nothing for anyone on here to be bothered by.
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Post by bigmoose on Jul 19, 2014 13:54:28 GMT -5
I wonder why, they didn't go for a smokeless Ml, they had to spend money developing it, Cabelas [Savage] ML was a dud.
They say its a rifle for everywear including Africa, A tip of the hat to Wilmsmeyer if you are looking for an African
rifle look no futher than your 50 cal Savage, with 400gr Buster Bullets shout on both ends and thats what your looking for.
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Post by encore50a on Jul 19, 2014 14:54:19 GMT -5
The new rifle will ignite BH209, up to 150grs volume.
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Post by hawghunter on Jul 19, 2014 16:57:01 GMT -5
For that kind of money one would think that they would build it with a better trigger.
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Post by muzzleman 54 on Jul 19, 2014 17:13:57 GMT -5
hi guys: been awhile since ive been on. has anyone seen the new rem. yet? is it a bolt action or other type. thanks. LOU.
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Post by encore50a on Jul 19, 2014 17:26:33 GMT -5
hi guys: been awhile since ive been on. has anyone seen the new rem. yet? is it a bolt action or other type. thanks. LOU. It'll be a bolt.
The little brother to this: 
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 19, 2014 17:31:05 GMT -5
There have been a few discussions about perceived
recoil on this board. Some believe they can tell the
difference in recoil between faster burning and
slower burning powders propelling the same weight
bullet at the same speed.
Any volunteers who would like to try an experiment
using 200gr of T7 behind a 250gr bullet?? And then
a smokeless powder which will propell a 250gr bullet
at 2400fps? Same rifle.
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Post by bigmoose on Jul 19, 2014 18:26:50 GMT -5
if I remember correctly 43grs of 5744 will get 2400FPS with soft recoil very accurate [XTP] and 300grs XTP
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Post by cowhunter on Jul 19, 2014 22:57:36 GMT -5
Do you think it will have the same barrel threading as the Remington 700ML? If so, a buyer might be able to screw on a .45 barrel if they got fed up with the .50 Does any black powder gun maker make a .45 caliber bp that uses rifle primers?
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Post by GMB54-120 on Jul 20, 2014 6:58:54 GMT -5
if I remember correctly 43grs of 5744 will get 2400FPS with soft recoil very accurate [XTP] and 300grs XTP 43gr of 5744 wont get even close to 2400fps. You would be lucky to even get over 2100fps with a 300gr bullet. IIRC 65gr of N120 will easily break 2400fps with a 250gr bullet and easily beat 2300fps with a 300gr. |
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Post by 153 on Jul 20, 2014 7:18:44 GMT -5
if I remember correctly 43grs of 5744 will get 2400FPS with soft recoil very accurate [XTP] and 300grs XTP 43gr of 5744 wont get even close to 2400fps. You would be lucky to even get over 2100fps with a 300gr bullet. IIRC 65gr of N120 will easily break 2400fps with a 250gr bullet and easily beat 2300fps with a 300gr.[/quote I used to shoot 42gr of N110 with a 300gr XTP, around 2150-2175 fps with very light recoil. That was with the stock Sav 50. |
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Post by bigmoose on Jul 20, 2014 12:52:24 GMT -5
I was refrring to the 250 Hornady XTP, in 2001 I only used book loads, both the 250 and 300 were super accurate, both of my rifles at that time were Savages, after reading Toby Bridges articles I couldn't sell my three Knights fast enough.
I had a stock Savage SS, I tried a bunch of stocks on it and a Ball Savage. Its my big boomer. Just me and bog-pod shooting sticks. Although I have shot a bunch of one holers, I'm proudest of a 1 3/4" inch group I shot with the 400gr Buster Bullet, at 2143FPS.
I have killed a dozen Elephant, 50 or more Cape Buff, some charging many Browies and 70+ Moose, all with out leaving So. Florida
Dream on old man
Oh to be 75 again
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Post by lee on Jul 28, 2014 10:19:39 GMT -5
RW has a recent video of the New Rem. Ultimate Muzzle Loader on his website
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Post by randywakeman on Jul 30, 2014 23:54:05 GMT -5
A couple of them:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 4:18:35 GMT -5
I will stick to what we are shooting now, might be a decent gun but I seriously doubt it will stay in the marketplace for long.. impressive??
buy a Savage, put on a custom barrel and shoot subs or smokeless with equal or better accuracy..
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Post by deermangler on Jul 31, 2014 10:17:16 GMT -5
I'm thinking 200 grains bp and a bullet will use up half the barrel. You'll only need a 12" ramrod. Also that's a lot of smoke after you pull the trigger. People will think it's a forest fire once you shoot at a deer. I'm just saying.
In the end this gun will turn into another project action.
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Post by bigmoose on Jul 31, 2014 12:07:44 GMT -5
Its a shooter, but they want to rethink that 338 talk
the 338 is a big boomer, even with a 300gr. bullet the Rem is a girl thingy cat.
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