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Post by redspinner3 on May 1, 2014 11:16:03 GMT -5
I'm new to crossbows . dose this restriction limit the quality ? the accuracy? The range ? What would be the best ? Sorry for all the questions.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 1, 2014 19:14:30 GMT -5
I have many of the same questions. NYS is living proof that experts and smart folks are not on the decision making board. If you have a .380 auto with at least a 4" barrel, you are good to go for handgun legality. A .22 hornet is OK in rifle areas. A .40 cal smokeless ML is illegal. A .308 contender pistol is illegal.
Ask SW. He's a crossbow pro. My gut is that the limitations still allow for effective weapons but there are other restrictions as well. Like a limb size limit. It's all stupid NYS political crap IMO.
We'll see what happens
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Post by gar on May 3, 2014 4:23:11 GMT -5
There are a lot of X-bows that draw 150-175 lbs. that are high quality and fast, You would miss nothing by not having a bow with a draw over 200 lbs. I think a 200 lb. limit is to discourage people trying to stretch things too far. We all know that with any weapon that you should only shoot as far as you are personally capable, and 150-200 will get you there, no need to go beyond that.
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Post by redspinner3 on May 3, 2014 10:19:52 GMT -5
Well I don't like to buy one then have to buy another just to find out the first one was less accurate or no penetration we try to get the best of both worlds I shoot a Mathews compound bow . I he more info I can get will be put to good use thanks
geo.
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Post by deadeer on May 3, 2014 21:47:32 GMT -5
The only bows it will exclude will be Excalibur and Middleton recurves. You could use a Scorpyd that goes 425fps with a 160 lb draw though. Stupid lawmakers.
Jay
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Post by sw on May 4, 2014 7:50:51 GMT -5
The only bows it will exclude will be Excalibur and Middleton recurves. You could use a Scorpyd that goes 425fps with a 160 lb draw though. Stupid lawmakers. Jay New York State , is this the same state that elected Hillary senator? If so, how could lawmakers be so misinformed(stupid) as to make a >200# xbow illegal? Most of us in Arkansas are so happy you have Hillary and not us. She certainly couldn't get elected dogcatcher here in Arkansas. And yes, I realize that if NYC were a part of NJ instead of NY, she wouldn't have been elected either. Anyway, back to xbows. There are compound xbows and recurve xbows. The new shorter limbed recurves almost all have >200# limbs with rated speeds of 330-405 for Excalibur and slightly more for Middleton but with 350g arrows. Each manufacturer has it's own arrow wt for advertising speed. There are no standards. Recurve xbows must have much greater poundage to get their speeds than compound xbows. Example: the Matrix 380 has 260# limbs and gets appx 350'/sec with a 400 g arrow with stock string and silencers while the Bow Teck Solution 390 with 155# limbs gets right at 390'/sec with the same arrow. 105# less draw yet 40'/sec faster. The reverse draw Scorpyd with 160# limbs often achieves even a little more than it's advertised 425'/sec with an even heavier 420g arrow. The 2 main recurve crossbow companies(the only 2 main companies using >200# draw! recurves of course) are across the line from NY in Canada. Maybe coincidence or just plain ignorance OR allowing people to use fast crossbows while somewhat pacifying the vertical bow "defenders". FYI , I still hunt with a recurve vbow(Palmer) and a crossbow(SZ 380 and Matrix 380). Just some thoughts. PS I've gotten to where I normally check out any emails before sending them on. In this case, I went over to Crossbow Talk and didn't find these restrictions mentioned; rather, primarily just positive comments. Even if there is no restriction on poundage, hopefully the above will be informative to some new to crossbows. Incidentally, recurve crossbows are generally considered more accurate and consistent than compound crossbows as well as being more trouble free. I've come to the same opinion after spending the last few months exhaustively testing an Excalibur rep's Matrix 380 against my 2 SZ 380 and a Parker crossbow. In very low wind situations, I've been able to keep <1 1/2" 60 yd groups and <3" 100 yds gps. With Zombie shafts, a Boo string, and a 1.5# Trigger Tech trigger I hope to reach 2" 100 yd groups with the Matrix 380. There is just so much after market stuff to optimize the Excalibur crossbows' accuracy! Extreme accuracy, reliability , simplicity, repeatability, light weight, great customer service,etc - hard to beat Excalibur. |
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Post by redspinner3 on May 6, 2014 14:13:07 GMT -5
Thanks but don't pin hillary on me i didnt vote for billy ether and don't know who did lol.
well now the bows you shoot are over 200lbs if i get one hard to believe 20 lbs would make me a criminal. can you adjust the poundage at all!
George
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Post by sw on May 7, 2014 22:15:02 GMT -5
Thanks but don't pin hillary on me i didnt vote for billy ether and don't know who did lol. well now the bows you shoot are over 200lbs if i get one hard to believe 20 lbs would make me a criminal. can you adjust the poundage at all! George I hope NOBODY on this board voted for Hillary! The SZ 380s have 160# limbs! The M380 has 260# limbs. SZ 380 is supposed to shoot 380g arrows 380'/sec while the M 380 is supposed to shoot 350g arrows 380'/sec. The Scorpyd with 160# will shoot a 420 g arrow 425'/sec. Actually, the only > 200# xbows I know about are the 2 previously mentioned recurves. None of the truely fastest xbows (except for the hottest Middletons) have >200# draw weights. My SZ 380s are certainly faster than the Matrix 380 even though the Matrix has 100# more draw weight. The NY legislation seems to be written to specifically exclude the newer recurve xbows and has nothing to do with arrow speed. Maybe Hillary could explain the reasoning used. |
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Post by redspinner3 on May 8, 2014 9:59:49 GMT -5
yes and they will play until they screw it up even more need instruction so you don't shoot anyone then buy one practice get xbow to shoot it will be next year before we can shoot deer i think. or if you listen take IT out of box and shoot deer lol.
i don't want to by a xbow and not get the best just won't do it
thanks for your help SW ill go back to taking my 50 cal. stock off that has thumb hole and putting the old one back on to try and make it legal.i have to move out of NY sorry for the rant.
George
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Post by edge on May 8, 2014 16:57:34 GMT -5
This is the Traditional ( Davey Crockett ) wannabes that are active in the sport!
If you give them the chance they will limit archery to long bows with feather fletching only... oh but they will drive to their hunting property in their new truck and hop on their ATV!
I say if you want a "Traditional only " season then you may not use a motorized vehicle within 24 hours of hunting!
No driving, no ATV, no flying, no nothing!
edge.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 8, 2014 19:51:35 GMT -5
Amen Edge. A cluster #@*^@$#
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Post by jims on May 8, 2014 22:02:59 GMT -5
At one time Ohio had a minimum draw weight, 75 pounds as I recall and a maximum of 175 or 200. There have been so many changes of late that may well have changed. It was once only a bow and shotgun State, straight walled cartridges in pistols and now staight walled rifle cartridges.
Since I only shoot muzzleloaders I have not kept current.
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Post by sw on Jun 1, 2014 7:22:03 GMT -5
Thanks but don't pin hillary on me i didnt vote for billy ether and don't know who did lol. well now the bows you shoot are over 200lbs if i get one hard to believe 20 lbs would make me a criminal. can you adjust the poundage at all! George There is no adjustment on most crossbows for #age. A few, primarily in the past I think, have allowed some adjustment. Remember, this #age restriction only restricts compound xbows. Excalibur has just come out with a Matrix 310 that has the draw shortened to where it is 209#(slightly over 10"). Just as a side note, all the Matrix series use the same limbs, with the only difference for the 310'/sec model to the 405'/sec model being draw length which is obtained by having a longer riser. Same with the traditional previous generation Excalibur crossbows(1 set of limbs only drawn to different lengths). Usually in the compound crossbow arena, there is 1 "crossbow of the year" which seems to stand out overall(size,wt,trigger,speed,cost,etc) over the others. The SZ 350/380 started that way but limb breakage became a problem for many. With the release of the Solution 350/390 , many believe that Bowtech has finally come up with a state of the art crossbow that is very dependable. They are reported to be "perfected" SZs. Noteworthy is that the Sol 390 shoots a 400g arrow 390'/sec. This is from a small, well balanced , comparatively quiet, crossbow with only 155# and the 350 with only 125#. As a comparison , the Excalibur Matrix 405 which shoots a 350'g arrow 405'/sec, and a 400g arrow(for comparison) likely 375-380'/sec has 290# draw(not as hard to cock as you might think). So, a 165# compound actually has more energy than a 290# recurve. And a 125# compound is as fast as a 260# recurve(remember the Sol 350 uses a heavier arrow for its speed rating):Sol 359 vs Martix 380. Hope this helps somebody. |
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