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Post by deadeer on Apr 11, 2014 8:21:23 GMT -5
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 11, 2014 12:48:08 GMT -5
It still has to go thru the statehouse so changes could still be made.
They must not of read my emails. I recommended cartridges with less then 500fpe not to be on the list. Whoever made the list of cartridges isn't the brightest and is probly a cowboy shooter.
.38 Special, Too low on power
.41 Long Colt, Too low on power, was there ever a rifle chambered in it?
.45ACP, Too low on power, are we going to have guys with Thompsons roaming the woods now?
I can see the Sharps calibers, it will give the guys with the big BPCR rifles a chance to use them.
.444 Marlin? Someone on the council must own one. Why didn't they include the .450 Marlin and the .450 Bushmaster.
The .375 Winchester is the one I zoomed in on. That would be the one with the most flattest shooting longranger potential. Again someone on the council must own one. I can imagine those big bore 94s bringing top dollar now.
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Post by jims on Apr 11, 2014 18:57:10 GMT -5
Some of those are anemic in power. I would be concerned about wounded deer. One has to wonder how they make their decisions at times.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Apr 12, 2014 6:31:36 GMT -5
The brains are rarely the biggest part of governmental decisions.
Here in NYS your ML must have a minimum bore diameter of .44 cal which rules out a very efficient .40 smokeless but allows some old .58 cal smooth bore, flintlock blunderbuss. NYS was once an open sight only, round ball only ML season. When the inlines started showing up in the 90's, we were allowed to use sabots, real bullets, smokeless and scopes which was very good. However, that min bore requirement, well thought out for roundball use, still is on the books. Maybe they don't want some one with a .32 squirrel rifle and round balls being used?
For our pistol choices we can use anything with a caliber of .35 or greater with a barrel of at least 4". Most pocket .380's, 38 long colt, 38 spec, 9mm, .40, .45 ACP and many more terrible choices are allowed.
For rifles all we need is a centerfire. Go grab your 22 hornet, .17 rem or whatever as long as it's not a rimfire.
Bottom line is that we rarely have any laws or regulations made by people who are very smart or have any common sense. Luckily, the vast majority of hunters can work within the stupid systems to both be compliant and effective. Then we can come here and just shake our heads and giggle about the numb nuts steering the ship.
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Post by deadeer on Apr 12, 2014 14:25:01 GMT -5
The brains are rarely the biggest part of governmental decisions. Here in NYS your ML must have a minimum bore diameter of .44 cal which rules out a very efficient .40 smokeless but allows some old .58 cal smooth bore, flintlock blunderbuss. NYS was once an open sight only, round ball only ML season. When the inlines started showing up in the 90's, we were allowed to use sabots, real bullets, smokeless and scopes which was very good. However, that min bore requirement, well thought out for roundball use, still is on the books. Maybe they don't want some one with a .32 squirrel rifle and round balls being used? For our pistol choices we can use anything with a caliber of .35 or greater with a barrel of at least 4". Most pocket .380's, 38 long colt, 38 spec, 9mm, .40, .45 ACP and many more terrible choices are allowed. For rifles all we need is a centerfire. Go grab your 22 hornet, .17 rem or whatever as long as it's not a rimfire. Bottom line is that we rarely have any laws or regulations made by people who are very smart or have any common sense. Luckily, the vast majority of hunters can work within the stupid systems to both be compliant and effective. Then we can come here and just shake our heads and giggle about the numb nuts steering the ship.
No doubt you called that one right!!! Sad sometimes. Jay |
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 13, 2014 8:34:45 GMT -5
What gets me is a couple of years ago I went before a group consisting of 2 council members and 2 higher ups in the DNR and asked for a waiver to use a .358 smokeless ML shooting a 140gr bullet over 2100fps. I got a big NO WAY, treated like I was asking to molest 12yr old girls. Now they are going to allow a guy using a .38 Special (.357 158gr bullet @ 800fps) to blast away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 9:47:35 GMT -5
And you still won't be able to use such a .358 if it loads from the front, correct? I think we need a clean slate as far as the dnr and council goes. Seems like they are determined to exterminate the deer from Ohio. I am a big believer we need a couple 1 deer years to allow the herd to recoup from disease, over harvesting, and now a pretty rough winter.
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 13, 2014 14:20:13 GMT -5
A ML in Ohio has to be .38 or larger for deer, even if I used it in gun season. Much like what Wilmsmeyer said, I think the intent was to keep the guys with the .32 and .36 caliber squirrel rifles shooting roundball from wounding more deer then they killed. Dixie Gun works even started having .38 and .40 MLs made as a get around.
I think they really need to look close at the numbers and do a real survey instead of looking at auto accident reports and crop damage complaints.
Deer hunting has became a billion dollar industry here in Ohio and even more so important for the poorer counties. If you talked cutting back on the harvest/season you would start a uproar. Someone told me sales tax revenue for some counties goes up 30% just the week of gun season.
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Post by artjr338wm on Sept 4, 2014 0:54:38 GMT -5
Just checked Rossman, H&R makes their Handi rifle in .44 mag and 500 S&W. Can't imagine why they don't make one in 460 S&W as its would be the best of the three for hunting large game.
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Post by hydrodog on Sept 4, 2014 20:13:25 GMT -5
At least Ohio listed cartridges, Michigan gave specs and included air rifles.This is right out of the hunt guide.
Rifles in the Limited Firearm Deer Zone
Centerfire or rimfire rifles may be used Dec. 1 – Nov. 9 in the Limited Firearm Deer
Zone (see pg. 12) during the open season for all species, except deer, turkey,
and migratory game birds. Certain rifles capable of using .35 caliber or larger
ammunition, with a straight-walled cartridge that has a minimum case length of
1.16 and a maximum case length of 1.80 inches and a .35 caliber or larger air rifle
or pistol charged only from an external high compression power source (external
hand pump, air tank, or air compressor), may be used in the Limited Firearm Deer
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