Some comparison results

[Richard]

The day started out overcast and slightly foggy. Herman, Bill and myself had to contend with about a dozen turkey from 7:00 a.m. until after 10:00 roaming around our targets at 200 yards. One Tom stood on the mini-berm right in front of Herman's target.
Anyway, I had indicated in Deadeye's post that I was going to try a load similar to the 15/57....N-110/H-322 he had shot with the 325 MH's. Since I did not have any of the high dollar bullets in that weight, I used the good ole' 300 gr. XTP.
To foul the barrel I used a load that had been kicking around in my load box for the past several months. My intention was to shoot it with 200 gr. FTX's . The load was 5/65...........Clays/H-4198 but it seemed like it might like being shot with a 300 gr. bullet also. Note, the first shot was on a clean barrel........No fouling primers or anything. It came in at 2459 fps and hit above and right of the next four. The next four shots dropped down a bit and averaged 2661 fps with an ES of 13. I discounted the first shot. It produce one ragged .340" hole. Unfortunately I had only five of those loads with me.
Next up was the comparison is wanted to shoot and that was 15/57.....4759/H-322 (I substituted the N-110) As I look back at Deadeye's post, it is probably not too far off. The 4759 might be a tad slower. The first three shots impacted about the same as the previous load and made a .205" hole. A fourth shot opened it up to .577" and the fifth to 1.4"............Again noting how the velocities seem to decrease slightly as the barrel warms........Not hot, just slightly warm.
For the third group, I shot the same load at 200 yards. Nothing great here but was it luck or why did shots 1 and four (both within 1 fps) hit right alongside one another. No reason why the other three did what they did as the velocities were not that far apart. Then again, it is a bullet designed for a pistol at maybe 1600 fps and not 2600 fps.
Next week I will go back to the 5/65 load and probably try it with the XTP's along with the SST's and maybe the 275 Parker and see how she does.
Richard

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Without the fliers those 100 yard groups look great!

[Deleted]

So you used 4759 instead if n-120?

Great groups! Was wondering where your range reports were at haven't seen any in a while! Keep em coming!

[madcityhoosier]

Holy cow... nice shooting and nice report! I wish I could find some Clays around here!

[onecardchuck]

Richard,

As usual great job and really appreciate all you do with load testing. Also, thank you for trying the 15/55 load it definitely answers some questions. I feel this load works better in either FF sabotless or with a sabot. Why I feel this way is because these two uses I'am thinking do not require as much objuration as does the application of smooth sabotless, which without question you are by far the master. I feel your clays and possibly even RD starter has a much sharper initial rise to really give the smooth sized bullet the objuration it needs to be as accurate as you have achieved. Your job by far is much harder to achieve with the success you have seen than either using a sabot or FF sabotless. Great Job.

[Richard]

Riverrat............I substituted 4759 for N-110 not N-120.
Madcity............. See if you can find some Red Dot. It should work equally as well.
Earnhardt............Did you note the 200 fps slower velocity of the first shot? That was a fouler on a J-B clean barrel. The fourth and fifth shot on target #2 seems more related to the lower velocity I noted as the barrel starts to warm. I have shot many groups and noticed this phenomenon. On the 200 yard target It was interesting how the two shots with 1 fps difference wanted to print together? Yet shots three and five were the furthest apart in velocity and they printed next to each other? The only thing that makes sense is the fact they are inferior bullets to the Parker's and Luke's and as such, this type of group is what will happen. I still think using them is a good test bed to get a general idea of velocities and ES's. The long range accuracy can come with the good bullets.
Onecard...........yes, I am definitely convinced that the shotgun/pistol powders are the way to go()for boosters) with sabot-less smooth sizing. As you indicated the slower boosters like 4759 and N-110 seem to work fine where immediate obturation is not needed........in the case of full formed bullets
Thanks for the compliment!
The reason I had not posted much lately was that I was doing some tests for Linebauch on his cast lead/aluminum tipped .401 bullets using sabots. Let me say they shoot very well mainly with single slower powder charges. 2400 or so fps with a .245 gr. bullet. They look like mini Parkers. I don't know if he is going to pursue making them at this time. He is looking into possibly another mould? I was able to get five shot 100 yard groups in the one inch area. Duplexes in the 2600 range would sometimes open it up to 1.5 to 2". I was hoping he might comment. Several other members here got some but don't think they got back to him with results? Maybe due to weather or other obligations?

I will definitely be re-trying the 5/65 Clays/4198 load again and my also try substituting some 2015. I would like to also try more H-322 but the LGS's seem to be out of it? And so am I ........just about? N-130 is also in that range and I do have a couple of pounds of it, but most everyone else cannot get it........so no use in doing tests.
Richard

[cowhunter]

What type of turkey do you have there? Ours are the smaller Rio Grande turkey. Good information too.

[linebaugh]

Thanks for the kind words Richard. I still check this board nearly daily but I've been busy as heck with other obligations.

Still planning to send you another batch of bullets and still need to do some expansion testing of different alloys. Provided the expansion testing is advantageous I have all the puzzle pieces in place to go to at least a limited production and market. I've been quiet and in no hurry as my mold maker/b-tip maker is currently retooling his entire operation.
There will be changes to the next version to streamline the ogive radius which should make things more stable and I think raise the BC a bit more.
At any rate it will be very late summer to early fall before I get any bullets made for sale.
Thanks again for your testing, help and kind words.

Tim Myers

[Richard]

It was my pleasure to help Tim. In the event people here have not seen Tim's bullet, I have a picture:

Richard

[Alabama]

I'll take a box!

[jims]

Interesting bullet.

[Richard]

Tim is talking about eliminating those grease rings and possibly sizing it down to .400. At .401 they are quite hard to get started. Once they (bullet and sabot) enter the rifling, they go down OK. I used both the smooth and crush rib Harvesters with the same results.
Richard

[herman]

Richard let me try 2 -3 shot groups with these bullets. And I would like to try some more of them also.
He had 2 different ones and I don't remember which was which.
The first group I tried didn't do so well, I'm thinking I use a duplex load with it, because I was shooting duplex loads that day. Must have been 11 grs of 4759 or N110 under 60 grs of H322.
Since the first group didn't do to well I figured it was to fast for the lead bullets so dropped off the booster charge.
I just asked Richard Tuesday if he had gotten any more bullets to try.
This is the bullet that shot good for me:

[linebaugh]

Thanks for posting guys. Appreciate it.

Yes future plans are to size to .400 and eliminate the rings. Also the tip design will be changed as now the ogive gives way to a straight taper. The final bullets will have a true ogive radius from tip to shank.
Bullet weight should be in the 240-250 range and a 45 caliber bullet in the 300-325 will follow.

I agree with Richard that 401 is too much for most guns. At present I do not own a .400 sizer but I will in the future. I also found that the regular and crush rib seem to load the same... Very hard!

Personally I have had good results in one gun and not so good in another. I must admit that I have not done enough work with the gun that does jot shoot them as well. I'm waiting on that for the next generation of bullets.

Tim Myers

[edge]

I have observed on more than a few occasions where the 2650 fps range has yielded good groups and a low es for you.
It does not always happen, but I wonder if there is something about your setup that may like that velocity.
I guess I need to look back further on your posts and see how often it holds true or perhaps it is an old mans mind playing tricks

edge.

[Richard]

Edge: You must be talking abut the 300 gr. sabot less (we got side tracked with Linebaugh's bullets). Yes, that does seem to be in the right range. I took some 275 BE's up to 2700 for a build I did and they shot pretty well. (The guy wants to get those turrets for his new Leupold VX6 and wanted a load that would shoot the 275 at 2700) I am going to run that 5/65 load again tomorrow and then try a 10/65 with Clays and 2015. My thought is that since the 2015 is somewhat slower than 4198 that I would still keep the Clays at 10 gr. and see what I get. I managed to get a pound of H-322 from a guy at a match on Saturday and want to play similar games with it in the future.
This is what I like about the .45 sabot less...........there is just so many combinations that one can play with. Since I am not doing a lot of deer hunting and don't need a "GO TO LOAD", I can spend my time playing with different "stuff!"
Richard

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Linebaugh was nice enough to send me some bullets as well but I have been so busy I have yet to have a chance to try them. maybe after I get my gobbler limit I can do some more shooting.

Good groups Richard, interesting combos as usual...