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Post by brute on Mar 6, 2014 12:50:22 GMT -5
Going to purchase a semi-auto handgun for whitetails, hogs, or possibly black bear plus varmints as targets of opportunity . Ranges would be 50 yds. or less . Which cal. and why ? Recoil is another factor .
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Post by Slufoot on Mar 6, 2014 21:04:30 GMT -5
Hello Brute, I went with the 10mm for the reasons you stated. I've got a Glock 20 with Barstow barrel and Dawson Precision adjustable sights and a 1911 Para Elite Longslide Hunter. I had a 1911 Kimber in 45 acp that was a fine shooting pistol, I just like the 10mm better for my purposes. Recoil is a personal thing in my opinion. What one person considers bad could seem mild to another person, that being said, I don't think either the 45 or 10 have much recoil. I will admit though that I grew up shooting a 44 magnum and then Contenders in heavy calibers and a 454 Casull revolver.
Hope this helps.
GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Mar 7, 2014 6:01:49 GMT -5
I would go with a 10mm ( not a .40 SW which is also 10mm cal)
They will probably both get the job done but are both fairly weak for big game. The 10mm will have a slimmer bullet with a slightly higher SD at higher velocity then a 45ACP. This, on paper, should mean better penetration. Neither one is a bone crusher so I would take "soft" shots like broadside rib only shots.
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Post by pposey on Mar 8, 2014 21:53:03 GMT -5
From mice to 200 pound hogs the 10mm works,,, Now it will not drop a hog from a couple of rib shots,,, be ready to climb a tree if needed, been there done that,,, ammo would be cheaper for the 45, reloading is almost a must for the 10mm these days. My glock 20 wears a 6 inch ported barrel and has taken alot of targets of opportunity in the last 15+ years
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Post by sourdough44 on Mar 9, 2014 4:09:31 GMT -5
Of those 2 I'd pick the 10mm. Better yet I'd look into a Ruger revolver in one of the larger magnums, from 44 on up.
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Post by 10ga on Mar 9, 2014 20:37:04 GMT -5
Easy, the 45. Why shoot more than once? USMC has gone back to the 45 as sidearm. It will do all the 40/10mm does and more and better, and like I said, why shoot more than once. JMHO, don't have a 40 and only shot one a couple of times, I have 2 handguns in 45 and the 40/10mm just does not seem to measure up. Oh yeah, a 1911 of early 20s vintage but rebuilt and a 1917 S&W with a 6" bbl. Again JMHO. 10 ga
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Post by pposey on Mar 10, 2014 7:34:01 GMT -5
Big difference between the .40 S+W and the 10mm auto ,,,,, almost a 38 special/ .357mag difference,, One thing I like about the Glock 20 in 10mm auto is the 15 round mag in an easy to carry package, That's the capacity of 2 .45 mags. I feel alot better about not carrying an extra mag, usta carry 24 rounds when I was working LE and carrying my GP 100 in .357 and that was with a loaded gun, 2 speedloaders, and a drop pouch with 6 singles, one extra clip and I hit 30 rounds in the Glock 20.
You hit a deer/hog or other similar sized critter in the lungs and they are dead fast, nowadays the 10mm auto is watered down in most factory loads, Winchester 175 grain silvertips Muzzle Velocity: 1290 fps, Muzzle Energy: 649 ft.lbs. are closer to the original loading, as are corbon loads and double tap loads, one of them runs a 200 grain bullet at 1250 I believe,,, I carried 200 grain fmj flat nose Norma loads in Alaska in case I had to persuade bear not to eat me at really close range,,,,
the .45 auto is a serious round though, ammo would be cheaper than the 10mm and easiier to find,
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Mar 10, 2014 17:09:41 GMT -5
Both of these cartridges are serious defense calibers. When you look at ballistics of lets say a 45 ACP using a 230 gr bullet at 830 fps from a Colt 1911, it's hard to say that this is a bruiser of a combination on big game animals. When you smack a man in the hip or shoulder with a lumbering hardball round he drops and screams for his momma while he holding the wound to stop the blood from gushing all over the place. His mind is wondering about dying and he gives up the fight and lays there ready for a coup de grace....which won't come...only paramedics.
For a deer with the same injury, not only will they get out of town quickly, they might survive and re-join the herd in a few days....with a limp. These pistols will not send shrapnel of copper, lead and bone flying through a foot of flesh and organs and then still fully penetrate at a predictable level. They will deflect on bones when hit at an angle. The chance for a well placed shot but at the wrong angle could be a nasty wound. However, put one of these pistols in the hands of an expert that chooses his shots very wisely and pokes a deer through the ribs and lungs and you will kill every big deer you shoot.
EIther of these pistols are delivering the speed and energy, at the muzzle, of a basically "depleted" muzzleloader bullet at 600-700 yds that's sailing back to earth. They are marginal for deer for all but the highly skilled hunter and shooter at very short range......IMO, IMO.
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Post by jims on Mar 10, 2014 19:56:38 GMT -5
I have two .45s and no 10mm, only a .40. I have seen the 10mm in action however and IMO feel it is a better cartridge for deer than my .45s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 21:31:02 GMT -5
I have taken two deer with a 10mm glock. Both with hand loads and they ran like crazy with boiler room shots. I have a glock longslide in 460 Rowland and shot one last year, decent doe at 55 yards and she dropped like a rock on a heart shot. Shot a doe this year with desert eagle 50AE and that's where it's at! DRT. If you are looking to experiment a little it doesn't get any more real than the 460 spitting a 240xtp mag at 1400fps in a ported lonewolf glock barrel. All depends what level of comitment your looking for. Either way 10 or 45 get underwood ammo or stiff hand loads for ethical kills at archery ranges.
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Post by kash913 on Mar 15, 2014 8:19:43 GMT -5
They both will work but I think you will doing a lot of tracking. Bigger is better for quick clean kill!
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Post by jahirul on Jun 15, 2014 15:25:03 GMT -5
I love to play with the hand gun. That's why i choose the 10mm hand gun.
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Post by rossman40 on Jun 16, 2014 8:24:09 GMT -5
The 10mm loaded to the old specs is the way to go. But to handle the recoil I would look for one of the old S&W 1006s or a long slide 1911. A Glock 20 would be more towards the end of the list without porting. A know too many people that have bought 29s and tried to use full power rounds and couldn't quite handle it (of course they are not uncle Ted, he carries a 29). A 180 or 200gr XTP at over 1300fps is fairly stought and for someone to say the .45 ACP out performs it hasn't shot it. Matter of fact the 200gr .40/10mm XTP was the first XTP made when the FBI went on the 10mm kick in the 80s. The FBIs MP5/10s (the HK MP5 chambered in 10mm instead of 9mm) were a awesome close quarters set-up.
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Post by walker on Jun 22, 2014 17:26:41 GMT -5
10mm hands down. i have two of them a delta gold cup and a 610 with a 6.5 in bbl, love them and plenty of power
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 17:48:16 GMT -5
Should be added that depending on your experience level you should shoot a 45 and see how it goes, if you can't hit anything with a larger frame or a larger round the 10 will only make things worse. From my experience with friends of many different skill levels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 16:03:04 GMT -5
I also vote for the 10, I have a 20 with a Lone Wolf long slide and 6.5" barrel along with a fastfire 3. with full power loads it will take Mr white tail with no problem. with most factory stuff keep it in the truck, its just too anemic.
I like the idea of having 15 rounds and good accuracy to boot, nothing wrong with the 45 but outside of 30 yds its no deer fetcher..
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Post by rick59 on Aug 11, 2014 17:06:11 GMT -5
I absolutely love my model 20 so I too have to say 10mm.
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