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Post by rossman40 on Jan 26, 2014 17:38:57 GMT -5
When I learned muzzleloading I was taught to "snap-a-cap" at the start of the range session or when loading for the hunt (of course with the rifle pointed downrange or at least in a safe direction). You blew anything out of the nipple/drum and you knew it wasn't loaded. This was driven home one day when me and a friend (son of the guy that built my Hawken) goes out behind the barn to shoot some and I snap a cap and then he comes up to the line and just kinda fires from the hip. The gun was loaded! His brother had loaded it the night before. Not having a good grip on the rifle the sucker almost broke his thumb and trigger finger. The rifle got dropped and marred the finish and the nosecap a bit but this was a just completed rifle, first shot fired. His dad comes home and comes out to the "range" for a report on how it is shooting and spots the dings right off the bat. His son told the whole truth but added it was his brothers fault for loading it. That started a lecture/buttchewing that lets just say prepared me for military service. To this day I still "snap-a-cap".
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Post by 1afox on Jan 26, 2014 20:41:21 GMT -5
Thats good advice! I never thought of it that way. That and a witness mark will make a difference.
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Post by cuda on Jan 27, 2014 7:52:54 GMT -5
We still need to know when one blows up. But pics and all of the info are needed too. Do you know anyone who has permission to share the pics? We need all of this to know what parts failed and where. It really helps so we do not make the same mistake as they did.
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Post by willraygreen on Feb 3, 2014 9:49:05 GMT -5
I do not have permission to share pics, and I will respect that. The barrel split all the way back to the recoil lug. Action was a Rem 700 SA, appeared fine from the pic. No issues with the plug/nipple/primer carrier. Barrel took out the scope, and the stock forend. As I mentioned before, the split barrel looks just like the others I have seen (on this forum), although certainly not in as many piece as the recent Encore double load pics on the forum. Without someone swallowing their pride and admitting a mistake, I can only speculate. With the input of a few on this forum, I certainly feel more comfortable about these guns in general, and am confident this gun was double loaded. The owner wants another one just like it....I think that is a pretty good indication of what happened in this instance. Again sorry for making this post in the manner I did.
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Post by cuda on Feb 3, 2014 12:14:27 GMT -5
What barrel brand was the one that blew up and what was loaded when it blew up? We just like to know if it was the powder or doubled up or what was the real cause of the blow up. Some barrels are better at handling high pressures than others. Thanks for letting us know about it! We all need any info on these guns that we build. I have one Stevens 45 McGowan now and thinking of one more and changing the barrel on my 10ML-ll to 45.
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Post by vabeachman on Feb 12, 2014 21:45:28 GMT -5
No pics, no facts, no proof.
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Post by epanzella on Feb 21, 2014 9:23:20 GMT -5
i apologize for any feathers I have ruffled. The intent of this post was to find out if any barrels have ruptured without someone making a mistake. This is not my gun, nor did I make it. I have only shared the facts that I know are facts, the rest is pure speculation which helps no one, and I will not post it. I do not have permission to share pictures. I posted the link to the older news story only because the barrel rupture of this gun looks extremely similar to the one in the news story. Again, I apologize, and should not have made this post. No need to apologize. The more information that is brought to light on this subject, the safer we all are. You posted the facts you had and left out the BS. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by epanzella on Feb 21, 2014 9:34:49 GMT -5
When I learned muzzleloading I was taught to "snap-a-cap" at the start of the range session or when loading for the hunt (of course with the rifle pointed downrange or at least in a safe direction). You blew anything out of the nipple/drum and you knew it wasn't loaded. This was driven home one day when me and a friend (son of the guy that built my Hawken) goes out behind the barn to shoot some and I snap a cap and then he comes up to the line and just kinda fires from the hip. The gun was loaded! His brother had loaded it the night before. Not having a good grip on the rifle the sucker almost broke his thumb and trigger finger. The rifle got dropped and marred the finish and the nosecap a bit but this was a just completed rifle, first shot fired. His dad comes home and comes out to the "range" for a report on how it is shooting and spots the dings right off the bat. His son told the whole truth but added it was his brothers fault for loading it. That started a lecture/buttchewing that lets just say prepared me for military service. To this day I still "snap-a-cap". Lucky nobody got dead. Every time I take out a ML my first step it to check my witness mark to see if the gun is loaded. My rod is cut to a length that will fall completely inside the barrel only if the gun is empty. After 30 years of never finding the gun loaded, this last hunting season I dropped in the rod and it stuck out to my witness mark, meaning the gun was already loaded. I had just hunted the night before and would have bet a million dollars that I fired it on the way to my truck and that it was unloaded. I was flabbergasted! After going over every move I made from the night before, I could come up with no explanation as to why the gun was loaded, but it was. Not trusting a load that I couldn't remember loading, I pulled the plug, pushed out the load, and reloaded the gun. This episode still gives me butterflies in my gut just thinking about it.
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Post by jims on Feb 21, 2014 19:26:26 GMT -5
Better safe than sorry. A wise decision.
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