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Post by mshm99 on Oct 24, 2013 15:53:01 GMT -5
So I got a question? Is it legal to shoot a feral cat on your property where it legal to shoot a fire arm? I know, shoot ,shovel, shut up. But really, could you actually go to jail for shooting a cat?
Illinois DNR says:"IDNR does not regulate feral cats. However, the Illinois Wildlife Code prohibits the placing / setting of traps outside of the designated trapping season without a nuisance animal removal permit. Also, you may want to read the Illinois Domestic Animals Act prior to taking action against feral cats."
Clear as mud ,right?
So is it or isn't it?
Mike
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 24, 2013 16:11:49 GMT -5
If the animal cruelty laws in Illinois are anything like the laws in New Jersey , you would be in a lot of trouble . I would read and re-read the Illinois Domestic Animals Act . The I would then contact the municipal or county Health Department for more information . In New Jersey you could land in jail and loose your right to own a firearm .
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Oct 24, 2013 16:59:55 GMT -5
You can always shoot a feral cat if you have a gun and a bullet. There is no doubt about that.
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Post by 10ga on Oct 24, 2013 18:51:53 GMT -5
In VA "companion animals" are protected! I have a "nuisance wildlife" control permit. I can assure you in VA killing cats is generally prohibited. Whenever I capture any when doing nuisance wildlife work I turn them into the "animal control" officers for the locality. They can euthanize them all they want. In some counties the officers will not take cats, AND it is illegal to "abandon" companion or domestic animals. It has produced some heated discussions in some of the classes I have taken to maintain my permit. Whenever I do control work "cats" are discussed and are part of the contract. I make it very expensive for me to dispose of captured cats, owner can take possession and dispose as they want. As for shooting cats, any I see are always in the "act of committing depredation" on wildlife or domestic animals and are not protected by law. Mike Vick went to prison for killing 6 dogs, guess I'd be on death row for what I've done. Know the law, it can be your friend. 10
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Post by sw on Oct 24, 2013 22:01:37 GMT -5
In VA "companion animals" are protected! I have a "nuisance wildlife" control permit. I can assure you in VA killing cats is generally prohibited. Whenever I capture any when doing nuisance wildlife work I turn them into the "animal control" officers for the locality. They can euthanize them all they want. In some counties the officers will not take cats, AND it is illegal to "abandon" companion or domestic animals. It has produced some heated discussions in some of the classes I have taken to maintain my permit. Whenever I do control work "cats" are discussed and are part of the contract. I make it very expensive for me to dispose of captured cats, owner can take possession and dispose as they want. As for shooting cats, any I see are always in the "act of committing depredation" on wildlife or domestic animals and are not protected by law. Mike Vick went to prison for killing 6 dogs, guess I'd be on death row for what I've done. Know the law, it can be your friend. 10 This is a well worded, very informative post! |
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Post by mshm99 on Oct 25, 2013 8:31:12 GMT -5
Some interesting points. So if a person ,during the legal trapping season , happens to catch a cat ,in a box trap, is the local animal control obliged to accept the critter at no charge . Also , I too had wondered if it was illegal to catch and release a cat in another area?
I recently read a study that ranks feral cats as the 40th worst invasive species.
So many unanswered questions.
Mike
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Post by mshm99 on Oct 25, 2013 11:11:00 GMT -5
OK ,I found this, very eloquent defense of shooting a cat:
The law in the USA is that it is perfectly legal to destroy any animal, someone's pet or not, that is threatening the health, well-being, and safety of yourself, your family, your animals, or even your property. Also true even in most densely populated cities, firearms laws permitting, if not then 700-1200fps air-rifles are commonly used. The only animals exempt from you taking immediate action, legally, are those listed on endangered or threatened species lists, and any bird species under protection of MBTA (the Migratory Bird Treaty Act). Even then variances can be given should there be sufficient problem but this requires further study by authorities. Since cats are listed in the TOP 40 WORST invasive species of the world in the "Global Invasive Species Database" ( www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?si=24&fr=1&sts=sss ), this means they have no protection whatsoever from being shot on sight, they are not on any protected species list anywhere in the world. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact.
Shoot to maim is punishable under the laws that define animal-cruelty (these are the ONLY cases that cat-lovers cite to try to manipulate and scare everyone from shooting their only favorite animal). But shoot to kill is a perfectly legal way to humanely destroy an animal. The same laws and principles that apply to methods of humanely hunting animals also applies to cats. Unlike cat-lovers' psychotic beliefs, the reality is that a cat is just another animal. It's NOT their baby, their child, their offspring. Even if they do view their cats that way, letting them roam free is no less criminally irresponsible than them telling their child to go play in the freeway and then blaming the cars for their child's death. If they let their cat roam free, NO MATTER HOW IT DIES, that is THEIR fault and they can be charged with all laws that clearly define animal-neglect, animal-abandonment, and animal-endangerment.
I like the way this guy thinks.
Mike
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 25, 2013 12:20:54 GMT -5
It maybe a very eloquent defense of shooting a cat but would never hold up in a New Jersey courtroom whether you consider New Jersey part of the USA or not . The only legal way to " kill " ( euthanize )a dog or cat in NJ is lethal injection and only certain drugs are allowed . The average person does not have access to these drugs. If you capture a cat and release it in another area you have broken the law by abandoning a domestic animal ... does not have to be your animal . If you kill the captured cat you would be charged in NJ with " unnecessarily killing the cat " as you could have turned it in to the local Animal Control or Shelter . If a person caught a cat in a livetrap while trying to catch raccoons skunks , etc. they should just let it go right there . A big problem in NJ is that the state does not require a cat to be licensed , wear a ID tag or a collar , or remain on the owners property . Or get a rabies shot for that matter .
10ga is on the right track with his information .
mrbuck
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Post by edge on Oct 27, 2013 7:48:03 GMT -5
mrbuck, you point out how far downhill NJ has gone in recent years.
If you found the hunting laws of the 1960's, in NJ if a hunter came across a cat with a "game bird" the hunter was to shoot the cat for killing the game bird!
I don't remember the actual wording but I think he was obligated to shoot the cat, not just encouraged or allowed to!.
edge.
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Post by Richard on Oct 27, 2013 18:46:32 GMT -5
Edge............thanks for reminding me why I vacated NJ and moved to NC where guns and hunting are more a way of life.
Richard
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 27, 2013 19:37:31 GMT -5
edge ... you are correct . I also recall the law in Title 23 . I don't recall when that was removed but I have seen that in the book with a line through it . Only someone who has lived here all their life knows how much things have changed . As I said " whether you consider New Jersey part of the USA or not "
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Post by sourdough44 on Oct 28, 2013 11:47:50 GMT -5
It's not something I'd post about on Facebook. Laws vary by State.
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Post by mshm99 on Oct 30, 2013 8:42:20 GMT -5
It's not something I'd post about on Facebook. Laws vary by State. I can't begin to express my contempt for facebook or any of those social media functions. Inane ,self centered , irrelevant personal information ,that a person with any decency would keep to themselves. Just my opinion. Mike |
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Post by mrbuck on Oct 30, 2013 14:46:04 GMT -5
Your opinion is correct . They are people without lives and need attention .
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Post by 03mossy on Oct 30, 2013 15:41:31 GMT -5
[ I can't begin to express my contempt for facebook or any of those social media functions. Inane ,self centered , irrelevant personal information ,that a person with any decency would keep to themselves. Just my opinion. Mike AMEN!!!! |
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Post by killahog on Dec 21, 2013 23:12:08 GMT -5
 Here is a picture of my Dog an my Cat Enough said?. |
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Post by artjr338wm on Dec 22, 2013 20:34:00 GMT -5
Killahog, is your dog a Jack Russle mixed breed? If yes do you know where to get another? I own a J-R mixed and she is the coolest dog I have ever had, and would love to get another.
To answer your question about feral cats my advise is to judiciously fallow the three S's
1-SHOOT
2-SHOVEL
3-SHUT-UP
The above has to date has NEVER EVER failed me in dealing with so called problem animals.
And although there is some good to be found on face book, I feel it is over populated with persons so self absorbed as to be only described as utterly wacked out goof balls that all BS aside have literally no life worth living what so ever and can only find meaning telling the world about their utterly meaningless, pointless lives.
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Post by petev on Dec 22, 2013 22:55:11 GMT -5
Hmm, I got on Facebook originally to stay in touch with my canoeing friends. Then our 40th high school reunion came up this past summer, and there were a lot of posts from former classmates, whose fates I probably would have never known about otherwise. I avoid electronics a lot though (no cell phone). But Facebook has serve some purpose to me, and others obviously enjoy it.
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Post by killahog on Dec 23, 2013 16:48:20 GMT -5
Art338, That Dog was a Jack Russell fox Terrier mix. He was a good family compainion for 14 years He got old and worthless so I had to put him down . The family really misses him, I don't know where to send you get buy one Sorry.
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Post by mshm99 on Apr 17, 2014 9:31:49 GMT -5
I thought I'd add a post script to this. A couple of CPO's stopped by my place during the gun season.After they checked us out I started asking a bunch of questions I had, that no one would answer clearly on the phone.
I asked about the cats. Like everybody else the first thing they said was "SSS". I pressed further. They said that cats were not game species,so outside of their purview. Further it would be a Sheriff issue. And the burden of proof would fall on the complaintant. Then the CPO"s made clear that in their opinion , personally knowing the sheriff, that he would have little interest in this issue and the complainant would have about 60 seconds to make their case.
Once again "Clear as Mud"
Mike
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Post by artjr338wm on Apr 25, 2014 22:47:36 GMT -5
Yes you can under the 3-S law:
#1s=SHOOT
#2S=Shovel
#3S=Shutup
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 21:15:11 GMT -5
Yep, but it's harder to shoot them when their running.  |
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Post by dans on May 20, 2014 14:54:57 GMT -5
What is the difference between a feral and stray cat?
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Post by Alabama on May 20, 2014 15:00:14 GMT -5
I doubt anything. My only problem is how do you know between a stray, and someone's loved cat? Lots of stays in my neighborhood and also lots of people's pets. I can see a huge problem if you shoot some little kids cat and it becomes known. Bet it will get you behind bars and on the news.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 20, 2014 20:38:10 GMT -5
Cats that live in transitions zones are probably the worst kinds to distinguish.
Yeah, city cats should be inside. Country cats should come and go as they please.
Suburban cats are in the twilight zone. Enough space that they could be outside. Close enough to neighbors to be a problem.
Cats are cats. They hunt, kill and get into all kinds of predicaments. As a cat owner you have to handle your cats in all the parameters. As a cat hater, you have to judge the situation.
The best shot I ever saw made was on a cat in the woods. My partner leveled his MK-95 knight at a cat that had run 100 yds thru the woods ahead of us and stopped for 1 second at about 250 yds. Thru the trees, in about 3 seconds, my friend leaned on a tree and touch one off. He hit that old Tom in the boiler room and we talk about that shot since then. (the cat deserved it...trust me)
300 .429 XTP, hornaday sabot, 100 gr ffg..........a great load in that gun.
Feral exuberance.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 22:33:10 GMT -5
Cats that live in transitions zones are probably the worst kinds to distinguish. Yeah, city cats should be inside. Country cats should come and go as they please. Suburban cats are in the twilight zone. Enough space that they could be outside. Close enough to neighbors to be a problem. Cats are cats. They hunt, kill and get into all kinds of predicaments. As a cat owner you have to handle your cats in all the parameters. As a cat hater, you have to judge the situation. The best shot I ever saw made was on a cat in the woods. My partner leveled his MK-95 knight at a cat that had run 100 yds thru the woods ahead of us and stopped for 1 second at about 250 yds. Thru the trees, in about 3 seconds, my friend leaned on a tree and touch one off. He hit that old Tom in the boiler room and we talk about that shot since then. (the cat deserved it...trust me) 300 .429 XTP, hornaday sabot, 100 gr ffg..........a great load in that gun. Feral exuberance. I was really starting to think bad thoughts about you Wilmsmeyer, then you go and post this! Faith restored, lol! I'm just glad my wife is allergic to cats otherwise we'd have a problem. |
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Post by Buckrub on Jun 8, 2014 21:02:03 GMT -5
Can I shoot a feral cat?
Well yeah, I probably still can. In fact, I'm sure I can.
I don't facebook, footbook, twitter, twatter, tweeter, or anything else. I do text....maybe with 10 folks that I know. I think texting is absolutely cool, cause I can ignore it or answer it, whatever I want.
However, I'll vote for the first candidate that can deliver on a promise to stop my phone from ringing from politicians and their friends. And if I ever get the chance, I'm gonna b**** slap Thomas Jefferson for leaving out the Right to Privacy!!!!!
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Post by medleybogart on Mar 13, 2018 0:19:44 GMT -5
So I got a question? Is it legal to shoot a feral cat on your property where it legal to shoot a fire arm? I know, shoot ,shovel, shut up. But really, could you actually go to jail for shooting a cat?
Illinois DNR says:"IDNR does not regulate feral cats. However, the Illinois Wildlife Code prohibits the placing / setting of traps outside of the designated trapping season without a nuisance animal removal permit. Also, you may want to read the Illinois Domestic Animals Act prior to taking action against feral cats."
Clear as mud ,right?
So is it or isn't it?
Mike
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Post by medleybogart on Mar 13, 2018 0:56:39 GMT -5
If you shoot or kill a cat in the State of Illinois, your next home will be a jail cell. They are protected by State Law signed by Former Governor Adlai Stevenson II who states that cats are natural born predators and avoid people. I have 3 Feral cats that I caught and they work out fine. Medley and Bogart and their mother who bit me 3 times while catching her.
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Post by ourway77 on Mar 14, 2018 8:56:36 GMT -5
Where I hunted for years people would drop off unwanted cats, became so bad that they completely ruined the rabbit population
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