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Post by killitgrillit on Apr 6, 2009 21:37:30 GMT -5
Howdy all,
Just wondering what states won't allow smokeless muzzleloaders?
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Post by mike.dawson on Apr 7, 2009 6:37:21 GMT -5
Florida
Mike
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Post by pfw4666 on Apr 7, 2009 7:11:40 GMT -5
In Colorado, smokeless and pelletized powder are illegal during the ML season. During the rifle season, you can do anything you want
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Post by screwbolts on Apr 7, 2009 7:22:57 GMT -5
Mike.Dawson, is that just during the muzzle loader season?
Ken
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Post by 6ptsika on Apr 7, 2009 8:24:42 GMT -5
Virginia allows it anytime .
Maryland doesn't allow it during ML season .
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Post by bob64 on Apr 7, 2009 8:41:31 GMT -5
Michigan doesn't allow smokeless during muzzleloading season. During firearms season, smokeless may be used in rifle zones not shotgun zones.
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Post by savedbyjc7 on Apr 7, 2009 9:09:29 GMT -5
WI don't.
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Post by Buckrub on Apr 7, 2009 10:54:24 GMT -5
New Mexico doesn't allow smokeless ML. I don't think Pennsylvania does. Arkansas allows it, Illinois allows it.
Had reason to check those 3 states, not sure about any others. I'd guess more states restrict it than allow it, but no real clue why I think that.........
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Post by kevinbrian on Apr 7, 2009 11:26:12 GMT -5
Tennessee allows it.
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Post by whyohe on Apr 7, 2009 16:07:26 GMT -5
PA. DOES allow it durung the early season in-line ML season. not late season primative ML season.
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Post by dave d. on Apr 7, 2009 16:18:50 GMT -5
:)nj doesn't  . |
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Post by thelongrider on Apr 7, 2009 18:40:57 GMT -5
I just looked on Maryland DNR and found this. It looks like this
Muzzleloader Regulations
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Muzzleloading rifles and shotguns may be used to hunt forest game, upland game (shotgun only for dove and woodcock), coyote, fisher, fox, nutria, opossum, raccoon, skunk, and woodchuck. Muzzleloading shotguns, with non-toxic shot only, may be used to hunt waterfowl, coots, rails, and snipe. Muzzleloading rifles may not be used to hunt turkey during the spring season.
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Muzzleloaders used for deer hunting must be at least .40 caliber in size and use not less than 60 grains of black powder (or a black powder equivalent) and propel one all-lead, lead alloy or copper soft-nosed or expanding bullet or ball at a single discharge. Sabot loads are legal.
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It is permissible to hunt deer with a muzzleloading rifle or shotgun in all counties. Telescopic sights may be used on a muzzleloader during Firearms or Muzzleloader Seasons statewide.
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Flintlock, percussion cap, and inline ignition muzzleloaders are legal hunting devices. To be considered a muzzleloader, a rifle, shotgun or handgun must be loaded from the muzzle, and a revolver must be loaded from the front of the cylinder.
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Muzzleloaders are considered unloaded if the ignition system is disabled by removal of the cap, primer, battery, or primer powder.
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Post by ewc on Apr 7, 2009 19:05:22 GMT -5
And they permit .40 caliber as a minimum  |
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Post by fletch on Apr 7, 2009 19:21:14 GMT -5
Mass. does not allow during ML season.
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Post by DBinNY on Apr 7, 2009 19:41:48 GMT -5
NY allows smokeless powder (at least they don't prohibit it!).
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Post by foxgrape on Apr 7, 2009 20:51:25 GMT -5
MORE MARYLAND INFO: On www.mdshooters.com in the Black powder section in a thread "Muzzleloaders take note" .... A guy was looking for answers to a similar question as we have here. He went to the Supervisor, Safety Education, Div. MD Natural Recourses, Annapolis and got this..."there is nothing in the regs that prohibits the use of any type of powder in a muzzleloading firearm as long as it equals the required power level of 60 grains of black powder for a rifle or 40 grains for a handgun." The thread gives the MD official's name etc. In my feable mind I am calling that "the official word", and I have printed off the man's "official words" and have a copy handy in case there is ever a question raised. I'm afraid I might find something out there that is not so kind to the Savage shooter, SO I HAVE OFFICIALLY STOPPED LOOKING FOR ANYTHING MORE ON THE SUBJECT!! |
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Post by kman3dd on Apr 7, 2009 21:26:39 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread. I bet Randy Wakeman could shed some light on which states allow or are pending. When I bought my gun from him early last year, he was very knowledgeable on which states allowed what.
I used mine in the PA early season, and used mine in Maryland as well.
As FoxGrapes indicates, I see the word "equivalent" as equal or better than. I will have to locate that exactly and print out just to be safe.
I find the general argument against smokeless powder to be crazy as most of the black powders are substitutes or engineered powders. Read the description of BlackHorn 209 powder on their web site. I have nothing against any of the black powders or BH209, I actually own a Triumph and some ofBH209 and plan on testing it for the first time.
Bottom line is that the Savage is loaded through the muzzle like all other muzzleloaders and engineered to withstand the pressures of smokeless powder. I do find the various state regulations to be interesting as they are often somewhat gray in what they require or allow.
Kman3dd
PA
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Post by Harley on Apr 7, 2009 21:41:10 GMT -5
GA says roughly that the requirement is .45 or bigger and loaded from the muzzle.
Harley
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Post by younghunter86 on Apr 7, 2009 22:15:39 GMT -5
Here is what Iowa has to say and I quote
"Muzzleloaders: Flintlock or percussion cap
muzzleloading rifles or muskets between .44 and
.775 caliber shooting single projectiles; muzzleloading
pistols .44 caliber or larger with a minimum
barrel length of 4 inches and no shoulder
stock or long barrel modifications. Muzzleloaders
equipped with electronic ignition are not allowed.
There are no restrictions on in-line or disktype
muzzleloaders. Riflescopes may also be used."
I sure wish that .44 restriction was actually .40! Oh well, it could be worse.
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Post by mike.dawson on Apr 8, 2009 6:41:21 GMT -5
Mike.Dawson, is that just during the muzzle loader season? Ken Yes, I shoot BH209 then Mike |
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Post by 30calrifle on Apr 9, 2009 15:59:36 GMT -5
New Hampshire does.
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Post by j1r11 on Jan 21, 2011 20:13:32 GMT -5
Vermont does not allow it either.
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Post by Richard on Jan 21, 2011 21:21:26 GMT -5
No problem at all in NC!
Richard
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Post by orionsoracle on Jan 22, 2011 9:09:03 GMT -5
Wisconsin ALLOWS it and you can go down to a 40 caliber. Pardon me for correcting Mr Savedbyjc7,that is just how the rules read. They finally allowed scopes to be used this year too. Why not? They want to take down the deer herd,and I personally feel that if a person decides he wants to go smokeless/scope compared to a flintlock,that is HIS own choice. Just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 9:17:03 GMT -5
Mike,
I live and hunt in Florida and there is no restriction other than a muzzleloading gun be at least .40 cal. So Im smokeless in flada.
Allan
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Post by nemohunter on Jan 22, 2011 10:01:18 GMT -5
all good here in MO. smokeless OK, scope OK, .40cal OK
new this last year Airguns OK .40 or larger.
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Post by slipperhead on Jan 22, 2011 10:28:30 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone has ever been cited for shooting smokeless when they shouldn't have? Hard to tell what is loaded until you shoot it!
In VA, we can shoot down to "38 caliber" (probably .357) out of a bore that must be at least .45.
I wish it said something more like "minimum .357 caliber with XXX ft./lbs of energy at the muzzle" PERIOD
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Post by DHinMN on Jan 22, 2011 11:05:09 GMT -5
Minnesota: Legal Muzzle Loader.
The rifled muzzleloader used is at least 40 caliber. The smooth-bore muzzleloader must be 45 caliber. Muzzleloaders with scopes are legal during the regular firearms deer seasons, but are not allowed during the muzzleloader season except by special permit for hunters with a medically certified visual impairment.
Only open and peep type sights (including those with fiber optic material) are legal for this (muzzleloader) season. Scopes, including holographic or red dot scopes, are not legal for the muzzle loader season, except for the use of non-magnifying scopes by special permit for persons with medically verfied visual impairments.
That is pretty much straight out of the book. Nothing is said about powder. Therefore smokeless powder is legal. It was outlawed for one year about 5 years ago but the regulation was repealed the next year. As for the scope thing, If you need trifocals you can get the permit for a 1X scope from an eye doctor. The form is available from the DNR.
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Post by black3 on Jan 22, 2011 11:29:48 GMT -5
Smokeless muzzleloaders are a NO in Mississippi, but you CAN use a metallic cartridge single shot rifle with smokeless powder, like a Handi-rifle instead with a .35 mininmum caliber. Makes a lot of sense doen't it??? I just use my ML-II or my Hoyt throughout the year.  black3 |
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Post by mike.dawson on Jan 22, 2011 15:42:43 GMT -5
Alan, here are the regs for Florida
News Release
Not all muzzleloaders are legal for muzzleloading gun season
October 4, 2007
Contacts: Capt. John Miller or Capt. Rob Beaton (850) 922-9022
Note: The original news release of Oct. 2 has been modified (added text is in bold) to provide clarification.
The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) wants to make it clear to all muzzleloader hunters ? not all muzzleloaders are created equal. Some of the new models do not meet the legal definition of guns authorized for use during muzzleloading gun season.
The two issues which seem to be generating the most questions are whether muzzleloaders with an electronic ignition are legal and whether the use of nitro-cellulose powder is legal. Neither is legal for use in Florida during muzzleloading gun season.
"In particular, the CVA Electra is a new muzzleloader on the market that doesn?t qualify as a state-defined muzzleloader,? said Capt. John Miller of FWC?s Division of Law Enforcement. "It is not a legal weapon for muzzleloader season because it uses an electronic ignition, fired by a battery.?
The legal types of guns for use during the muzzleloading gun season use black powder or a non-nitro-cellulose substitute and are fired by wheel lock, flintlock or percussion cap ignition (including shotgun or 209 type primers). They are not adaptable to use of any self-contained cartridge ammunition.
The CVA Electra muzzleloader is legal to use during general gun season, however.
Mike
I guess that last sentence above would make the 10ml-l illegal as well
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