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Post by savedbyjc7 on Mar 31, 2009 10:46:59 GMT -5
HI GANG, HOPE THIS ISN'T TO MUCH TO ASK, LOOKING FOR A PIC/PICS OF DEER SHOT WITH THIS BULLET. WOULD LIKE TO SEE ENTRANCE/EXIT HOLES. THANKS IN ADVANCE, SAVED.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Mar 31, 2009 16:58:17 GMT -5
Sorry no pix. Testimonials however: Holes in and out are usually very adequate at almost any speed used. They will not always stay together but almost always work at any angle and really bust up on-side bones and reach vitals. A solid choice for deer that you want to die. For a meat hunter, go for ribs. This bullet will jelly any major muscle group (ham/shoulder) into an inedible peice of mush.
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Post by jims on Mar 31, 2009 18:30:49 GMT -5
I do not have any photos but it is considered by many to be one of the best bullets out there and one of the most reasonable. It has been proven on many deer.
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Post by dougedwards on Mar 31, 2009 18:42:02 GMT -5
I wish I had kept the pictures of the very first buck that I killed with the Savage. I was in a tree stand and the deer walked up to about 30 yards from me and stopped behind a tree. I knew I was in trouble because I had been sweating profusely just climbing the side of a mountain to get to my stand. The deer snorted and ran straight away from me down into a ravine and back up the side of a gorge. Free handed I put the crosshairs between the shoulder blades and pulled the trigger as the buck started up the other side from the ravine. A perfect shot I thought.
Well, as it turned out I hit this deer in the rump with the 300 grain XTP. I never recovered the bullet but the entrance hole was small and it exited creating a crater the size of my fist near the groin. Every ounce of the deer's blood was sprayed on the dry leaves. I couldn't believe it. In my opinion the 300 gr XTP is the perfect short range bullet for even the largest of whitetails. Heavy enough to do significant damage and fragile enough to expand within the animal. What more can you ask?
Doug
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Post by boarhog on Mar 31, 2009 18:42:14 GMT -5
Savedby, My Son has used the 300 gr XTP in front of 80gr eq. Pyrodex for 2-3 years. He tried charges up to 150 gr eq., but accuracy was pretty bad. Most of our shots are under 100 yds, and even at the relatively slow speed, he rarely fails to get a pass through. The exit hole will generally be between the size of a quarter up to the size of a half dollar. This past season, he shot a large hog (weighed just over 300 lbs on the camp scale) at around 45 yds.. The XTP penetrated the heavy gristle shield, the on-side shoulder blade, and through a rib and the shield on the off-side. I suspect that the low fps is a plus in this case. If MV is pushed up to 2300-2500 fps, IMHO I would expect a more explosive expansion, and possibly less penetration. If I were going to use an XTP at Savage MV, I would look into the XTP-MAG versions. If my info is accurate, they are supposed to be rated for more speed. boarhog
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Post by sw on Mar 31, 2009 19:42:02 GMT -5
I've shot a few deer with the 300XTP at appx 2300'/sec MV and 2 deer with 300XTP-MAG at same speed. The 300 XTPs are excellent choices IMO. The 300XTP held together much more than the 250XTP. The 300XTP-MAGS are not good choices, IMO. They just didn't expand at all. There are possibly better choices for the Sav10-ML2 but the 300XTP is very good choice.
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Post by tar12 on Mar 31, 2009 19:56:13 GMT -5
No pics,but...I have shot 60 plus or minus head of deer with them. The manufacturer says 1800 fps max.I would say they are right on with this no.They are after all, pistol bullets. In the 1800-2100 fps range, the 250 grn xtp rarely exits.The 300 grainer in this range velocity range will usually exit on broadside shots.Hard raking shots,usually not.The 250 grn xtp is a 150-175 performer at best.Same goes for the 300 grn xtp.They head earthward quickly.Now for the 300 grn xtp mag version.They will almost always exit.usually a 45 hole in and out and a sparse blood trail at best.I would avoid them.Of the 3 mentioned,my choice would be the 300 grn non-mag version.It equates to a very dead deer right there within its parameters.
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Post by boarhog on Mar 31, 2009 22:03:42 GMT -5
SW and Tar12 Thanks for the valuable advice on the XTP-MAG performance on game. I was just about to order a few boxes. A good blood trail is important in the grown up cutovers we hunt, and especially for wild hogs. I have seen hogs, well hit by good bullets, hardly leave a trail at all. Perhaps the abundant corn and acorn fat on them in the fall plugs the holes?
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Post by artjr338wm on Mar 31, 2009 22:15:10 GMT -5
I'm also sad to report no pics of XTP performance on the few deer I have shot with them as well as one 4x4 bull elk shot by myself and one 330" class 6x6 bull shot by my friend. The three deer I shot with 300 grain non-mag XTPs all were large does. All at ranges between 80 and 110 yards. All broad side shots. all pass thorough, all deer DRT. I gave a quick look at the vital organs my XTPs passed through and they were indeed mushed up quite well.
The bull elk I shot with 300grn XTPs was a at a range (laser range finder confirmed) of 67 yards. I made the shot in heavy cover on a over grown access road, so I forced to make the shot in the seated position. The bull was facing me head on slightly quartering to my right. I centered the cross hairs on what I felt would be center of his front shoulder blades and shot. This was my first elk ever so I knew nothing about the "no gutting way of skinning, quartering and deboning. So knowing no other way at that time, I gutted him just like I do with a white tail. As a result i got a good look at what my 300 grain XTP did. It enterd just to the right of his (as he faced me) right shoulder blade traveled at a angle to wards the left rib cage, went through both lungs, smashed through a rib and exited.
The bull traveled about 60-70 yards and left what I prefer to describe as a blood trial like a "leaking gallon of red paint".
My friend shot his bull twice. Both broad side shots. The first at a laser confirmed 125 yards, then while the bull sat collapsed on his hinds, a second "finishing" shot at 60 yards. Both bullets complete pass through with, as he described "nice big exit wounds.
Please keep in mind all the above animals were harvested while shooting 300grn XTPs out of a Encore 209x50 using maximum charges of Pyrodex RS or 777.
I have said it here many times as well as read the same posted by those that have killed 10x as many deer with XTPs than I that for the $$$ and for velocities below 2150fps, XTPs simply can not be beat.
Their only short coming is strictly the fault of the person who tries to shoot them at velocities above the velocities they were never designed to function at.
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Post by DBinNY on Mar 31, 2009 22:58:06 GMT -5
Obviously there wasn't an exit hole but here's what the 300gr (non mag) XTP looks like from a deer I shot at about 60 yards. MV was over 2200 fps. Shattered the scapula on the way in and rested against a broken rib on the off side.
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Post by savedbyjc7 on Mar 31, 2009 23:24:23 GMT -5
SWEET! GREAT STORIES AND INFO. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PICS, I CAN'T POST 'EM WORTH A DARN. THE PIC OF THAT BULLET LOOKS LIKE THE ONES I BOUGHT THIS PAST WEEKEND. DOUBLE CANALURE, ON THE BOX IT SAID THEY WERE MAG XTP. KEEP THEM STORIES COMING, INTERESTING READ! THANKS AGAIN.
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Post by chuck41 on Mar 31, 2009 23:33:03 GMT -5
The 300 and 250 XTPs are both great deer killers.
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Post by jeff on Apr 1, 2009 7:37:12 GMT -5
I will add to the killing power of the XTP #42300. Like tar I have taken 50+ whitetails, bear, elk, moose, & sheep with them. I have used many others but the road always ends where it started with the 300 XTP. The moose and elk were killed with the 250 gr xtp. just another opinion from a muzzlehead. ;D
Jeff~
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 1, 2009 10:12:16 GMT -5
You missed your PN there Jeff, a .452 250gr XTP is 45200 and a .452 300gr is 45230.
I know, it's what you meant not what you said. At least that's what I tell my wife when I blow it.
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Post by rangeball on Apr 1, 2009 10:17:06 GMT -5
Wasn't there a good thread at the old board about XTP performance, running at the same time as the BO scoreboard or something?
May be worth a look.
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Post by fowlplay on Apr 1, 2009 12:54:54 GMT -5
300(non mag)XTP
Best bang for the buck!
I often wonder why I stopped shooting these XTP bullets. They did everything I asked of them up to 200 yards. Maybe I go back after I run out of the copper stoppers. Steve
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Post by zakjak221 on Apr 1, 2009 13:45:15 GMT -5
My son used the XTP (300 gr) bullet last year on a six pointer that was maybe 40 yards from him with great results. The deer didn't go ten feet from where it was hit. Heart & lung shot is what we figured. Found the bullet which stayed together & mushroomed nicely. As others have said it's a winner!! I would say this: it is not too aerodynamic though--so I would recommend distances of 150 yds or less. JMO--Mark
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Post by rangeball on Apr 1, 2009 14:00:45 GMT -5
Awhile back I did a trajectory comparison of the SST and the XTP at book speeds to 200 yards. Drop was negligible, less than .5" difference iirc.
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Post by cgg on Apr 1, 2009 17:06:18 GMT -5
I've killed a few whitetails with the 300 XTP and a T/C Omega and 777 and have always been pleased with the bullet's performance. In the Omega most of the kills have been with the 300/.430 XTP, but I have had good experiences with the .452's too. And, after a lot of experimenting, it turns out my Savage likes the 300/.452 XTPs best also, and that suits me fine.
I have a couple pics of recovered bullets and dead deer, but I cannot post them. My old computer's browser will not support Photo Bucket--kicks me off. If someone here will volunteer to post the pics and send me a Message with their email address, I will email the pictures to them.
Most kills have been pass throughs and rarely have the deer gone out of sight. None have gone more than 60 yards and blood trails have been excellent. One shot kills have been made from 20 yds. to 171 (lasered) yds. and the XTP's have not let me down yet. I killed my biggest buck yet with one at 140 yds.
You can certainly buy much more expensive bullets, but none will kill deer better 300 grn XTP's IMO.
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Post by younghunter86 on Apr 2, 2009 8:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by savedbyjc7 on Apr 2, 2009 10:30:55 GMT -5
nice! great bucks! thanks for sharing/posting to!
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Post by jims on Apr 2, 2009 13:48:59 GMT -5
Fine deer.
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Post by Dave W on Apr 2, 2009 14:24:49 GMT -5
Very nice deer herd you have there. Congrats.
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Post by cgg on Apr 2, 2009 17:33:29 GMT -5
Thank you for the compliments and thanks to younghunter86 for posting the pics.
Both bullets in the photo are 300/.430XTP's, but I have had good luck with the .452's also. The bottom left one came from the deer in the pics, Iowa 2004. He dropped on the spot with a high shoulder/spine hit at 140 yds.
The upper right bullet came out of another Iowa buck killed at a lasered 171 yds. He was quartering toward me after being pushed out of a timber and I was able to get a solid prone position over a terrace. The shot entered just behind the left shoulder and we found the slug against the right side of his pelvic bone when we quartered him. I think thats great penetration. He went about 40 yards and piled up. BTW, both bullets weighed well over 200 grains, but I do not remember the details. I have killed about 8 or 10 other deer in PA and Iowa with the 300 XTP's and have nothing but praise for those bullets--I am a big fan.
The .430's with Green Harvester sabots have always shot great in my Omegas, but not in my Savage. The Savage drilled the green Harvester sabots and I quit trying them. The 300/.452 XTP's shoot great in my Savage with SB Harvesters and H4198 or Reloder7. I am looking forward to trying them on deer soon.
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Post by wildman on Apr 2, 2009 20:19:35 GMT -5
;D Ive tried other bullets for the savage but always come back to the xtp 300 .430 , cant beat the price at $ 15.oo for 50 rounds
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Post by artjr338wm on Apr 4, 2009 20:25:45 GMT -5
Cgg, Awesome buck! congrats on a job well done. Could you please share with us the type of powder and charge weight you used, and the velocity even if it is only an approx.
Thanks, Arthur
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Post by cgg on Apr 4, 2009 22:05:23 GMT -5
Cgg, Awesome buck! congrats on a job well done. Could you please share with us the type of powder and charge weight you used, and the velocity even if it is only an approx. Thanks, Arthur Thanks very much and I should apologize because this is a "Savage" forum and that is not a "Savage" deer. Because the thread was about XTP bullets I posted, but that deer was killed with a T/C Omega and two Pyrodex pellets (I think) and a Harvester green sabot with a .430/300 grn XTP. That Omega will shoot three shot groups under an inch with that load at 100 yds. Velocity is only about 1650 to 1700 fps. 3" high at 100 is close to on at 135 or 140--pretty lethargic compared to what our Savages can do. But I have been an XTP fan for a few years now and that is what I used back then.
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Post by rangeball on Apr 6, 2009 9:00:18 GMT -5
I would hope apologies aren't necessary. I know they aren't for me Yes this is a savage forum but while those particular bullets weren't shot from a savage they can be shot from a savage and your information should be very useful for those considering doing so...
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Post by savedbyjc7 on Apr 6, 2009 19:50:33 GMT -5
i picked up some 300 grainers today. 50 pack of 45230. i trimmed some hp 24 sabots and gonna try them on wed. weather providing.
i also was inspired by Dougs makeover post and painted my stock forest green and put on a limb saver recoil pad. looks good to me. yeah, i know post some pics. will see.
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Post by savedbyjc7 on Apr 6, 2009 21:04:59 GMT -5
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