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Post by rexxer on Jan 24, 2009 18:54:08 GMT -5
What are your likes on after market triggers? I would like to replace my accu-trigger with an aftermarket hunting trigger. Thanks Rex
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Post by jims on Jan 24, 2009 19:17:50 GMT -5
I have SSS (SharpShooterSupply) triggers on my two Savages (pre-accutrigger models) that have worked well for me.
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Post by Richard on Jan 24, 2009 19:20:48 GMT -5
I have put the Rifle Basix triggers on both my ML's and like them. Easy installation. Richard
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 24, 2009 21:10:36 GMT -5
Aftermarket Triggers
The Timney and Rifle Basix SAV-1
These triggers basically replace the factory trigger and do away with the factory trigger pull spring. They use a spring just forward of the overtravel adjustment set screw position to replace the factory trigger pull spring. They also switch the overtravel adjustment screw to the rear where it adjust against the trigger bracket instead of the safety. These triggers are milled steel instead of the sintered metal in the factory trigger. The Timney advertises a pull weight of 1.5 to 4 pounds and the Rifle Basix SAV-1 1 to 3 pounds. For a hunting rifle I recommend not to go below 2.5. There have been some complaints about both manufacturers on QC and spring quality.
The Rifle Basix SAV-2
This trigger is a multi-lever design. Instead of the sear engaging the trigger it engages a separate lever and the trigger engages the sear lever. This takes the sear pressure off the trigger for easy pull and separate spring helps with reset to get good sear engagement. While it still uses the factory safety and sear it comes with a new trigger bracket to house the extra parts. More parts and a bit more complicated but comes with a DVD to explain everything. Has an advertised pull weight of 4oz to 3 pounds. Supposedly with this trigger when set light, if you work the safety 3 or 4 times the rifle will go off.
The Jard trigger
This a more of a bench trigger. Not only does it replace the trigger but also the sear. Advertised pull weight of 1 to 1.5 pounds.
The Sharp Shooter Supply Competition Trigger
This is a multi-lever design and is basically a module that replaces the factory trigger. The factory safety, sear and trigger bracket are still used. Although it has an advertised pull weight of 12oz to 2 pounds some people are using this in the field set heavy.
The Canjar Trigger
The only aftermarket trigger available for the Savage before 2000 was a Canjar. Probly the finest made trigger it was also very expensive (a single set would put you back $400-500). Matt Canjar was THE MAN when it came to triggers. When he passed away a few years ago his employees tried to keep the shop going but with high prices and no web presence they had to close the doors last year. The finest hunting trigger I had the chance to pull was a Canjar single set trigger on a Ruger #1. In the un-set mode you had about a 3.5 pound pull, push the trigger into set mode and it was a crisp 6oz that supposedly could be set less. Guys are buying up used rifles with Canjar triggers when they appear for just the trigger.
The Jewel/SSS Evolution Trigger
Jewel made a few Savage triggers but shelved the project and from what I understand passed the design to Fred at SSS. Fred refined it and is now selling it as the Evolution trigger. It is a benchrest only trigger with pull measured in ounces.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 22:05:11 GMT -5
Richard, where did you buy from?
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Post by Harley on Jan 24, 2009 22:51:21 GMT -5
Rossman40, not only am I again impressed by your knowledge, you've also made me nostalgic. In the 1950's all my Reminton varmint rifles had the Canjar trigger. Every time an after market trigger is mentioned I look for the Canjar name and always wondered why I never saw it. Now I know.
Just as an afterthought, in reference to the Jard, my rifle builder proposed installing that trigger in my fully custom 7MM-08 for hunting, not bench work (ended up with the Jewel). Maybe there are two series.
Harley
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Post by rexxer on Jan 24, 2009 22:53:15 GMT -5
Richard Do you have the Sav-1 or Sav Rat.
Rossman-How do you come up with all of this? Sure fun reading! Thanks
Jims How high will your SSS adjust to. I would like to stay on the higher side for hunting.
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Post by jims on Jan 24, 2009 23:08:27 GMT -5
I am not sure how high it will go, I am usually looking to go the other way. I think I have it set about 1 1/2 pounds but I am guessing 3 1/2 or so.
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Post by rexxer on Jan 24, 2009 23:23:59 GMT -5
Thanks Jims I'm looking for 2-1/2---3 pounds!
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Post by sagittarius on Jan 24, 2009 23:36:42 GMT -5
Most of the experts today say the Jewell is the current best trigger. I remember Canjar well but had no idea they had increased to a $500.00 price tag. I believe, I would take Richard's advice and get the Rifle Basix for a Savage.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 25, 2009 0:03:25 GMT -5
The post on triggers is a excerpt from my pre-accutrigger adjustment post I'm putting the final touches on.
Mr Canjar was something else, there towards the end he would work when he wanted to and it would take a year or more to get a trigger. He did have different models but the single set trigger was IMO the ultimate in hunting triggers. In 2003 I was quoted $425 for a Savage single set trigger and at least 6 months.
Jewel triggers are nice and probly the best out there if you have a Remy, AR or one of the custom actions. Now with popularity mass production has set in, while the designs are great QC sometimes shows up.
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Post by Richard on Jan 25, 2009 6:45:31 GMT -5
hillbill........I bought mine, along with a lot of other "gunsmith" stuff from Brownells. It is the Savage-1. With the weight of the rifle and the firm hold, I don't believe you need the "super light" trigger. As Rossman said, on all my competition rifles, I have the best: Jewel! Richard
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 25, 2009 7:25:45 GMT -5
All the info is excellent. Rossman is an encyclopedia of knowledge.
The best trigger I have used, is the orginal Savage trigger, AFTER, Savage did a trigger job on it, I don't know if they still do it, but if they do, its worth looking to.
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Post by jims on Jan 25, 2009 8:54:15 GMT -5
I have I think five different aftermarket triggers and I would also agree that the Jewel is the best of the lot. It however was by far the more expensive. My Jewel happens to be on a 12 gauge.
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Post by rexxer on Jan 25, 2009 9:34:04 GMT -5
I'm sure the jeweled trigger may be better but too rich for my blood. I'm really just looking to get rid of having to pre compress the accu- trigger. I have had missfires shooting with gloves. Primers where not touched.
I'm not sure if new trigger would take care of problem if bolt was accidentally bumped?
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Post by jims on Jan 25, 2009 9:46:31 GMT -5
If the bolt gets lifted that will cause you problems. I had that happen on a couple of occasions.
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Post by larry on Jan 25, 2009 9:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by jims on Jan 25, 2009 10:03:23 GMT -5
I bought my Jewel about 3 or 4 years ago I think and it was about $250 then as I recall. I am unaware of what they charge now.
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Post by petev on Jan 25, 2009 11:01:34 GMT -5
I'm really just looking to get rid of having to pre compress the accu- trigger. I have had missfires shooting with gloves. Primers where not touched. rexxer, you can always remove the accutrigger blade. It is easy to do. I have had no problems yet after having done so to two savages.
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Post by rexxer on Jan 25, 2009 12:16:25 GMT -5
petev
I just removed the blade off the accu-trigger. Seems to work fine without it. I think this would work for me! Thanks Rex
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Post by chuck41 on Jan 25, 2009 18:39:43 GMT -5
I personally love the Accu-trigger. Got the aftermarket spring for it and set it at about two lbs. However, I seldom use gloves here in Arkansas.
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Post by corvair on Jan 26, 2009 12:06:21 GMT -5
Point to note, the Savage Accutrigger used in the varmit models and bench models can be set well sub-1 pound pull weight and several have been known to fire when the bolt is slammed shut and set really light pull.
The reason I mention this is that some guys have gotten varmit trigger springs from other supplier/gunsmiths. I don't believe Savage will sell them to anyone. Just an FYI.
P.S. I have two of Fred's triggers, one for my 22lr and one for my 22-250. I like them both very well. My 10ML II still wears the Accutrigger whicj I also like. My NULA has a Timney.
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