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Post by Richard on Sept 8, 2009 22:29:55 GMT -5
Actually, today's session did not produce results as good as last week? Not bad but 300 yards took a little hit  So here goes.....Last week I told kevin that I was going to see if two .060 veggie wads gave any different results than one so check out targets #1 and #2; along with the velocities and ES's  Target #1 had the first four shots in .6" only to have the fifth shot open it up to a .9" five shot group! The vel. Av. was 2681 fps. Now look at Target #2! The group was not pretty, but the velocity was 2687 fps with an Extreme Spread of only 1.4 fps And yes, Every shot was numbered 1 thru 5 on the chronograph. Amazing that the velocities were that close but the group was not that good? And yes, these charges are thrown from my Harrels powder measure. So, two wads vs. one wad? Too hard to tell from only two groups! The velocity only marginally increased with the two wads. OK, I went to 300 yards with a load that I was tweaking but had not shot before. I should have shot it first at 100 yds. but did not. My first three shots at 300 yards did not look very good so I went back to 100 and shot a five shot group! .963" which is not too shabby! Then went back to 300 and shot the remaining two shots for a five shot group. Not great. Moving on to the 200 FTX at 300 with another new load. Note, I was shooting at the upper right bull and hitting at the middle bull with the second stadia line. Not good either for five shots. A third attempt at 300 with the 195 Barnes and a different duplex was somewhat better but not great either. The sun being almost overhead was playing havoc with the chrono and did not capture all the shots. The final group was with a load Edge had mentioned and I was disappointed with the fact I could not capture any of the shots on the chronograph and the group was not good. While my groups were just OK, I got to witness both Herman and Bill shooting the new rifle's I built for them. I was happy that they were happy with the fire forming groups they were shooting. Blowing the shoulder on a 6mmBR .100" forward and shortening the necks by .100" to form what is called a 6BRX. One of the hot cartridges in 600 yd. BR competition. So all in all, it was a good day for me AND them!  Richard    |
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Post by kevin k on Sept 9, 2009 6:54:33 GMT -5
nice report Richard at this point it dosent look like like 2 wads does much in groups yet but the speeds are very close together huh you'd think it would be more accurate. i wonder if the sabotless is slower because its using more energy to expand the bullet into the bore? nice range boy its nice you guys can shoot together wish i lived closer to you guys.also them long range guns you made look awesome. kevin k
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Post by dave d. on Sept 9, 2009 9:44:19 GMT -5
:)richard that is a beautiful range. So when do I get a invite ;D. I can't wait till I can shoot every Tuesday but that will have to wait another 11 years. Keep shooten...
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Post by chuck41 on Sept 9, 2009 9:51:20 GMT -5
That is one fine looking range. Sure wish I had something like that nearby. My range is sufficient for basic stuff, but is limited to only 100yds. Can't be expanded because its got a mountain for a backstop.
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Post by Richard on Sept 9, 2009 16:16:34 GMT -5
Yes, we are fortunate to have a range like this. I also wish we could extend the distance bu unfortunately beyond the backstop, it drops sharply off and down to the river. Our club grounds are mostly up and down, with no other place to get the distance. Anyway, the majority of members are not seriously into distance shooting. The only formal matches we hold are CMP matches at 200 yards. dave d..............You and anyone else who might be traveling down our way are more than welcome to shoot at our range. Just give me a "heads up". About 650 mi. from where you are dave! Then again, you have CJRPC which has a nice range. Oh, by the way, I posted a picture of some modifications I made to the uprights and sky screen on the Pact chronograph. If you look closely, you can see the leading edge of the uprights and screen have light colored edge? Thats a piece of 1/2" PVC water pipe. Well, yesterday, I hit one of them and actually cracked a piece off. The rear of the box (inside) also took a hit and the front of the box had several hits I have since re-inforced those uprights, added protection to the rear uprights and sky screen, put a piece of rubber/cloth conveyor belt material on the front of the box and put an aluminum shield inside the rear of the box. You don't realize how many near misses your chronograph is subjected to Richard |
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Post by ET on Sept 9, 2009 20:18:41 GMT -5
Richard
Always enjoy following your posts even though I am not at the .45 level and do not comment on everyone of them.
I also would like to ask just one 2-part question.
At 200yds what .45 bullet and at what velocity do you feel is the best performer for you so far?
Ed
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Post by Richard on Sept 10, 2009 10:11:58 GMT -5
ET.......If you have been following my .45 journey, you would note that I have done very little 200 yard shooting. Seems most everybody wants to see "what it will do at 300?" ;D So, I shoot mostly at 100 to sort of "prof" a load and then go straight to 300  I think you have been reading my mind This coming week I am actually thinking of just skipping 100 yards altogether and work at 200 yards. Since I am now able to keep all 100 yard shots within my bullsye targets, at least at 200, I should not be destroying my target frame with errant shots. I will get back to you on that question after next week. In all reality, 200 yards is more practical than 300. Maybe if I had a large bean field to hunt, or was planning a trip out west, but most Eastern hunting is done under 200. The 300 yd. thing is just to see what the rifle and load will do. Richard |
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Post by ET on Sept 10, 2009 15:57:47 GMT -5
Richard I have been following your posts but my thought retention process has been a little sluggish lately.  I agree with your thoughts on 200-yds being more practical for most shooters. Thanks for the quick reply. Ed |
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Post by Richard on Sept 10, 2009 20:08:20 GMT -5
ET........I went back thru my records and find I had shot 200 yds a few times back a couple of months ago and this is the best load I could find: 200 gr. .452 Hornady FTX with two .030" veggie wads and a duplex of 15/55___5744/N-133 which gave a velocity of 2435 fps and a five shot group of 2.1" I think I will re-visit this one and add a couple of more grains of N-133.
Richard
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Post by ET on Sept 10, 2009 20:42:16 GMT -5
Richard You sure can peak a persons interest fast. And seeing that the FTX is now here I believe a lot of useful info can be derived with your test methods. I can only express gratitude in advance for going in this direction. As I don’t trust my memory lately I have copied your images from this post into a folder marked “Richards Test Results”. Should have done this in the first place. Now to do a little back tracking. Again thanks Now I got some catch-up review to do.  Ed |
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Post by Dave W on Sept 10, 2009 21:13:06 GMT -5
Ed, the 250 SW, "not the new FTX", groups approx. 1.25 MOA @ 200yds with a duplex at 2575fps. Have not gotten them to shoot tight like the Parkers, but it will hunt for me.
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Post by boarhog on Sept 10, 2009 23:07:00 GMT -5
Richard,
I wonder if there are similar educational posts of yours from your .50 days? I don't know if the search feature will allow targeting a specific poster? If so, I would be very interested.
On another subject, I have aquired The Bride's old digital camera. It is a 4.0 MP Kodak Easy Share. I have taken a few target pix from last Monday's range session that are a tad blurry, but may be clear enough to tell what is happening. I plan to buy a new battery for it tomorrow. The old one will allow a couple of snaps, but it won't stay charged long enough to take pix of our range. Hopefully I can get something posted over the next few days.
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Post by ET on Sept 11, 2009 18:33:15 GMT -5
Ed, the 250 SW, "not the new FTX", groups approx. 1.25 MOA @ 200yds with a duplex at 2575fps. Have not gotten them to shoot tight like the Parkers, but it will hunt for me. DW Again thanks for your interest and thoughtfulness in trying to help. The 250SST & SW have been great shooters for me out to 200yds. I still hope I can find and acquire 250-SW’s for now. But with changes coming along I now feel I need to be more adaptive. For too long I have enjoyed excellent results with one load and lost some of the edge for experimenting and observing. Richard has kept striving forward with load experimentation and generously shared them here. Now you have also added info from a previous post in another thread. My hunting partner with his BP will also provide additional results from his shooting. Hopefully by correlating this info I can extrapolate a commonality if one is found or at least redirect my thoughts on the FTX bullet. Then come Spring I’m going to give it another go instead of just tossing in the towel. In a way you with your willingness to quickly provide some info to help and Richards willingness to put the FTX to some tests has made me realize I was too hasty to jump to a conclusion so early. To the both of you “Thanks” Ed |
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Post by Richard on Sept 11, 2009 19:07:09 GMT -5
ET.......You are quite welcome. That was a great idea. Actually one I had considered doing but would be a little time consuming. I have all those targets and reports in my Photobucket album. It would take some time, but I could copy and paste them all in one post. If it could be posted with the other loads. If it just went on this section, it would be lost in the shuffle. Then again, maybe Kerry would not want it where the "certified" loads are? If the moderators feel it would be OK, I would be willing to do it. Including the .50 cal. stuff. I would probably eliminate the first six months of information due to my inexperience with the Savage.
Richard
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I think you have been reading my mind 
