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Post by dugby on Dec 23, 2011 13:51:18 GMT -5
Just in from missouri Muzzleloading.
Had some rain and my optima's are rusted up like crazy.
Ready to get out of the corrosive powders and into something a little friendlier to the metal.
Did not score, but seen tons of deer just out of range. I have vowed to be better prepared next year. I have built several of my own centerfire rifles and am trying to figure out how to make one of the high dollar muzzleloaders on my own.
I have been reading about the 700 ML conversion stuff, but was wondering about using a regular 700 action.
Thanks,
Dugby
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Post by tar12 on Dec 23, 2011 19:44:46 GMT -5
Welcome Dugby! I moved your question here so it would receive more attention.
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Post by edwardamason on Dec 23, 2011 20:36:05 GMT -5
Just in from missouri Muzzleloading. Had some rain and my optima's are rusted up like crazy. Ready to get out of the corrosive powders and into something a little friendlier to the metal. Did not score, but seen tons of deer just out of range. I have vowed to be better prepared next year. I have built several of my own centerfire rifles and am trying to figure out how to make one of the high dollar muzzleloaders on my own. I have been reading about the 700 ML conversion stuff, but was wondering about using a regular 700 action. Thanks, Dugby IF your wanting to go a full blown custom route and a heavy rifle with a REm 700 there are a lot of people here that can steer you in the right direction there. Then there are Custom Encores and NULA Rifles that offer Smokeless and accuracy in a very lightweight rifle. And to think just a few years ago a man only had really one smokeless ML to choose from. My how times have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 21:04:18 GMT -5
If you want clean stick to your origional plan of smokeless. Its also cheaper in the long run if you like to shoot. Full one pound jugs of most smokeless powders are cheaper then 10oz of Blackhorn 209. Blackhorn 209 is the best sub out there IMO but its still corrosive as Western Powders will tell you. Some peeps on here have really worked hard at getting the MLII to shoot MOA and have succeeded. IF your wanting to go a full blown custom route and a heavy rifle with a REm 700 ML or Savage MLII there are a lot of people here that can steer you in the right direction there. Savage MLII specs: Action : Bolt Action Caliber : 50 Black Powder Barrel Length : 24 Sights : Fiber Optic Ignition : 209 Primer Length : 44 Stock : Synthetic Weight : 7 3/4 lbs I just cannot understand how you say the Rem 700ML's are heavy, ALL THE TIME, when a set up MLII wil be pushing 10lbs set up with a tupperware stock, heavier with a laminate yet you recommend them all the time? Choosing the right synthetic stock and the safest lightweight fluted barrel contour for a 700ML build will put you in the same weight class as a stock .50 MLII. Good luck on the build.
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Post by lwh723 on Dec 23, 2011 21:05:58 GMT -5
and a heavy rifle with a REm 700 ML or Savage MLII there are a lot of people here that can steer you in the right direction there. Yeah, really heavy. How many times do we have to go over this? A Sendero countoured 45cal barrel is a WHOLE pound heavier than a factory 700ML barrel. In my book, that's not much of a difference.
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Post by edwardamason on Dec 23, 2011 21:07:40 GMT -5
If you want clean stick to your origional plan of smokeless. Its also cheaper in the long run if you like to shoot. Full one pound jugs of most smokeless powders are cheaper then 10oz of Blackhorn 209. Blackhorn 209 is the best sub out there IMO but its still corrosive as Western Powders will tell you. Some peeps on here have really worked hard at getting the MLII to shoot MOA and have succeeded. IF your wanting to go a full blown custom route and a heavy rifle with a REm 700 ML or Savage MLII there are a lot of people here that can steer you in the right direction there. Savage MLII specs: Action : Bolt Action Caliber : 50 Black Powder Barrel Length : 24 Sights : Fiber Optic Ignition : 209 Primer Length : 44 Stock : Synthetic Weight : 7 3/4 lbs I just cannot understand how you say the Rem 700ML's are heavy, ALL THE TIME, when a set up MLII wil be pushing 10lbs set up with a tupperware stock, heavier with a laminate yet you recommend them all the time? Choosing the right synthetic stock and the safest lightweight fluted barrel contour for a 700ML build will put you in the same weight class as a stock .50 MLII. Ukelele Pichu Good luck on the build. The Savage MLII is way to heavy for something that is going to get packed in. At least by this toter. Others mileage may vary.
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Post by lwh723 on Dec 23, 2011 21:07:56 GMT -5
If you want clean stick to your origional plan of smokeless. Its also cheaper in the long run if you like to shoot. Full one pound jugs of most smokeless powders are cheaper then 10oz of Blackhorn 209. Blackhorn 209 is the best sub out there IMO but its still corrosive as Western Powders will tell you. Exactly. And people are coming here to to hear about smokeless. Enough of the BH209 pumping. This is a smokeless board!
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Post by edwardamason on Dec 23, 2011 21:11:33 GMT -5
If you want clean stick to your origional plan of smokeless. Its also cheaper in the long run if you like to shoot. Full one pound jugs of most smokeless powders are cheaper then 10oz of Blackhorn 209. Blackhorn 209 is the best sub out there IMO but its still corrosive as Western Powders will tell you. Exactly. And people are coming here to to hear about smokeless. Enough of the BH209 pumping. This is a smokeless board! I think I covered all the other smokeless alternatives? After re reading the OP original question it does seem he is interested in a high end custom gun built on a standard 700 action so I guess I was out of line with some of my recommendations. Ive modified my post accordingly. I wish him all the luck in the world with his build.
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Post by nwtflogan on Dec 23, 2011 22:15:04 GMT -5
+1 luke.....ed as usual....lol is al i can say.....
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Post by dans on Dec 23, 2011 22:17:24 GMT -5
dugby, smokeless Remington 700 conversions can be done with a regular 700 action. Shooters on this board have them. Maybe they will chime in on the details of the build. Once you shoot smokeless you will not go back to smoking. A stainless synthetic rifle is about as weather proof as it gets. Good luck with your build.
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Post by jeremylong on Dec 23, 2011 22:18:34 GMT -5
Dugby - Sounds like you have a good plan. The 700 centerfire action is a great way to go as long you don't mind priming casings. Forget the nonsense about the blackhorn 209.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 22:18:37 GMT -5
Dugby,IF you already have a 700 cf then you can do one reasonably, if you have to go buy a gun then consider a 700ML donor, it is usually a little cheaper. either way its very doable.
there are lots of options, several of which have already been mentioned. it will help to know what type of hunting /ranges etc you will be doing and suggestions will be plentiful, I promise...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 22:21:45 GMT -5
I will be posting a pic of a build I am doing for a member tomorrow to give you an idea of the 700 ML, stay tuned
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Post by fishhawk on Dec 23, 2011 23:01:48 GMT -5
Dave D is the master of the centerfire conversion options in my opinion.
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Post by oked on Dec 23, 2011 23:20:30 GMT -5
I have 2 guns built by Cecil Epp of www.prbullet.com on rem. cf actions and both shoot great. I live in Ok and if you live close you are welcome to come by and look or shoot these guns.I live in Stilwell ,in the north east part of the state.These guns use a shortened rifle case as a primer holder. He charges 500.00 to convert a 700 cf gun.Any questions , I will be glade to answer.
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Post by rmclaughlin on Dec 24, 2011 11:09:11 GMT -5
I live in North East Oklahoma and have a Savage 50cal laminate and a SMI 45 H&R .If I can help let me know
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Post by lwh723 on Dec 24, 2011 12:08:11 GMT -5
I've never done a 700CF conversion. That's on my to do list, just so I can say I've done it. That being said, I think it's going to be hard to beat the ease of the 700ML conversion.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Dec 24, 2011 12:27:01 GMT -5
Welcome Aboard....The only draw back I can see on the Rem centerfire action ...might be the use of cut down cases. Whereas the 700 ml with a Hunters bolt conversion allows the use of 209 primers and also the use of a common breach plug. You have come to the right place because if it can be done... Someone here on this board has probably done it. I have a Savage with a PacNor barrel. I also Have an Encore with a PacNor that I love also..and like you am contemplating a rem 700 build. Just need to make room in the safe.... Good Luck Drop
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Post by oked on Dec 25, 2011 9:05:33 GMT -5
I seen in the earlier posts comments about remingtons being heavy,both of my guns have 24 in. barrels and bell and carlson stocks . Complete with a 3 x 9 scope thse guns weigh 8.2 lbs. so you can build a fairly lightweight remington if that is what you like, I love mine!
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Post by lwh723 on Dec 25, 2011 10:12:38 GMT -5
I seen in the earlier posts comments about remingtons being heavy,both of my guns have 24 in. barrels and bell and carlson stocks . Complete with a 3 x 9 scope thse guns weigh 8.2 lbs. so you can build a fairly lightweight remington if that is what you like, I love mine! Nice, that's a good weight. What contour on the barrels?
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Post by oked on Dec 25, 2011 10:40:48 GMT -5
The barrel measures .930 inches 4 inches from the recoil lug to .830 at the end. At the recoil lug it is 1.130 inches.
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Post by spoonover on Dec 25, 2011 10:41:57 GMT -5
Oked, my strictly a work horse backpack rifle 24" 50 cal smokeless sports a Leupold 2X7 28 weighs 6 pounds 10 OZ. model 600 center fire Remington action.
Have a MPI carbon fiber stock that is taking the recoil fine in the lead sled. Could trim it down to 6 lbs, but hurt-in from recoil as is.
Remington builds do not have to be heavy, it is just what the industry calls for?
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Post by lakeplainshunter on Dec 25, 2011 13:52:37 GMT -5
I seen in the earlier posts comments about remingtons being heavy,both of my guns have 24 in. barrels and bell and carlson stocks . Complete with a 3 x 9 scope thse guns weigh 8.2 lbs. so you can build a fairly lightweight remington if that is what you like, I love mine! If I can keep mine just under 9 lbs with scope I will be very happy.
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Post by 10ga on Dec 27, 2011 11:00:58 GMT -5
Welcome dugby! You can do a custom sml for less than a new Savage. Several ways to go. Barrel on a CF action is the way unless you convert a 700ml. You can go from a 45-70 NEF/HR conversion, probably the least expensive way to go, to barrel on bolt or single shot of your choice. I have a Encore conversion and it shoots real good.
Fire up the search engine and go through the many pages of posts available and you'll see what is available.
Again welcome. Best, 10 ga
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Post by dugby on Dec 28, 2011 12:28:46 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks for all the responses. I have an action that I would use. I want to go with a Douglas barrel.
I really like the idea of using the large rifle primers and the shortened brass with primers already installed. I am not worried about weight.
My confusion is largely in the area of the breech plug and the projectile sealing. I see where some have use the last 2" off the end of the barrel to make a swage for the bullets. What to make the breech plug out of? Thanks for your help.
Doug
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Post by tar12 on Dec 28, 2011 22:24:03 GMT -5
bump for the plug...
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Post by rangeball on Dec 29, 2011 9:51:15 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks for all the responses. I have an action that I would use. I want to go with a Douglas barrel. Doug Are you planning to go .50 or .45? The .50 douglas premium I have on my SMI converted H&R is fantastic, glassy smooth and right on .500 on the lands, shoots the thor 250gr .500 bullets sabotless very well. It also does great with saboted .45 class bullets. I'm in the middle of a .45 build and wanted to go douglas but I found that their .45 barrels are a bit looser on the lands, which makes load work up a bit more tedious, similar to the Mcgowans many here have. Don't get me wrong, they will shoot very good, but it's not as easy as simply screwing on a pacnor and stuffing a saboted 195bx down and shooting moa or less out of the box. I agree with fishhawk, Dave D is who's brain you want to pick. Shoot him a pm and I'm sure he'll respond when he's able.
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Post by dugby on Dec 30, 2011 12:13:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the help. I have spoken with Dave D and have a much clearer idea of how I will proceed.
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